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"WHO Needs A Gun? Are You Paranoid!?" Well...Here You Go, Libs...

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:50 pm
by Tenzing_Norgay
When seconds count, the police (and EMT) are only minutes away... :oops: :roll:


‘I Think She’s Dying. She’s Asking For Help,’ Caller Tells 911 As Neighbor Bleeds On Doorstep

By LISA J. HURIASH
SOUTH FLORIDA SUN SENTINEL |
SEP 05, 2019 | 4:34 PM

| COCONUT CREEK |

The young woman who called 911 as her neighbor lay bleeding to death on her doorstep was terrified she’d become the next victim if she opened her door.

“There’s someone at the door at my house, they’re crying,” the caller tells a 911 dispatcher, “at the floor of my door.

“I think she’s hurt; she’s hitting the doorbell.”

Hannah Bonta, 20, rang her next-door neighbor’s doorbell, seeking help after her mother’s boyfriend’s stabbed them and killed the family dog on Aug. 24, police say. A recording of the neighbor’s frantic call was released Thursday, showing her frustration as minute after minute ticked by without an ambulance showing up.

“Ma’am, I thinks she’s laying dead on the floor," the neighbor told the dispatcher. “There’s no one here. There’s not even a police officer here, he drove away. There’s no ambulance. This woman has been laying here for over 5 minutes ... we could have saved her, ma’am. I think she’s dead now.”

At this point, the caller has been on the line with 911 for 15 minutes. Nearly 10 minutes later in the call, there’s still no ambulance.

The police records released Thursday — in response a public records request by South Florida Sun Sentinel — leave it unclear how long it took for the ambulance to arrive.

Portions of the call were redacted by Coconut Creek police, who have refused to release records to show how long their response took. A review of their recordings show that after the first officer who came and then was forced to retreat, an army of officers responded but couldn’t immediately converge on the scene in the 4200 block of Northwest 57th Drive.

Don’t open the door, the dispatcher told the caller. “Mom, she can have a weapon,” the young woman whispered to her mother.

“She’s asking for help, she’s on the floor of our door, like, crying, saying ‘please help me, help’ She collapsed at the door, at the front door. ... I’m shaking, I don’t know what to do, can you send an ambulance? My mom is a nurse, can she come outside?"

The dispatcher told her only if it’s safe. “I don’t know what to do. ... I think she’s dying," the caller says. "She’s asking for help. ... Do you hear her screaming?”

“Oh my God, she’s not moving anymore. ... She’s not moving. I hear him out there. Why is this taking so long? Ma’am, this is an emergency, where are they? OK ... she just flipped over and her hand collapsed on her chest.”

Looking through the door’s peephole, she hollered “Ma’am? Are you OK? Ma’am, can you wake up?"

Then to the dispatcher: “She’s not responding ... When are they coming? This is taking forever.”

The suspect, Jason Roseman, is still outside. "They can’t go in blindly,” the operator explained of the cavalry of help who could be in danger because of a man with a gun.

“What about that female laying in front of the door bleeding, do we know who she is and where’s she at?” one officer is heard on the radio saying.

“We still got victims, got to check on the guy that’s still waiting for us,” says another.

The young woman who made the 911 call told the Sun Sentinel that her neighbor, who was covered in blood, was “trying to get in” her house and initially she “didn’t know if someone was trying to break in.”

Bonta said “please help” before immediately collapsing to the ground, the 911 caller said. “We had no form of self-defense,” said the caller, who asked not to be identified. “Was there someone chasing her and we could be next?”

Still, her mother, an RN, was determined to help. The nurse got outside of their home through a side door to get to the bleeding woman on their front doorstep. A man with a gun, also covered in blood, “saw my mom come outside and he came outside. They went face to face.”

The caller said the man chased her mother away, telling her to “ ‘call the law.’ " The girl’s mother “came running back in.”


They were prepared to try again with a towel and pepper spray, according to both the 911 call and an interview, but then the first officer pulled up and "we heard the gunshots.”

“He’s shooting at the police? Who’s shooting at who — I don’t know.” Then, to someone in her house: "Is she dead? Oh my God, she’s dead,” the caller wailed.

Minutes later, she pleaded again for an ambulance.

“Isn’t an ambulance supposed to have a response time?” she cried to the dispatcher. Then to someone in the house: “It’s their fault, not ours. They took too long." Then to the 911 operator, “Ma’am, I’m sorry, but we’ve waited way too long.”

The dispatcher told her “everyone from the entire county" is on their way, including Palm Beach. To her mother she said: “They’re not going to do anything until it’s not an active scene. If she dies, it’s not our fault.”

Her mother is heard wailing in response. “Mom, he has a view of our house. He could have shot you for helping her.”

As police arrested Roseman, the caller was still distraught on the phone: “She’s in the same position that she was 20 minutes ago, bleeding out.”

The State Attorney’s Office said Thursday they have not yet decided if they will seek the death penalty for Roseman, who is accused of stabbing and killing both Bonta and her mother, stabbing and injuring Bonta’s boyfriend, and shooting the first Coconut Creek police officer who arrived on scene.

Officer Renna was discharged from Broward Health North on Aug. 30, after three days spent in the intensive care unit.


https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/brow ... story.html

Re: "Who Needs A Gun? Are You Paranoid?" Well...Here You Go, Libs...

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:32 pm
by GunsandHoses
When seconds count.......

Re: "WHO Needs A Gun? Are You Paranoid!?" Well...Here You Go, Libs...

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:20 pm
by Jeepsnguns
The dispatcher told her “everyone from the entire county" is on their way, including Palm Beach. To her mother she said: “They’re not going to do anything until it’s not an active scene. If she dies, it’s not our fault.”

"If she dies, it's not our fault." coming from dispatch, is such a true statement, it confirms what most of us on this forum already know.

It is our responsibility to protect ourselves and our loved ones.

Re: "WHO Needs A Gun? Are You Paranoid!?" Well...Here You Go, Libs...

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:38 pm
by Tenzing_Norgay
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Re: "WHO Needs A Gun? Are You Paranoid!?" Well...Here You Go, Libs...

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:38 pm
by Tenzing_Norgay
We are our own first responders. Not bashing cops/EMT's, but...this scenario is the PERFECT (and tragic) example of "why we need guns".

The d-bag boyfriend stabbed the mom (his girlfriend) & daughter to death, then grabbed the girlfriend's shotgun to engage the police. He was a prohibited person.

Re: "WHO Needs A Gun? Are You Paranoid!?" Well...Here You Go, Libs...

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:30 pm
by TACC
I missed it if it was stated, what happened to the boyfriend that was the suspect of this whole scene?

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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:50 pm
by Tenzing_Norgay
TACC wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:30 pm I missed it if it was stated, what happened to the boyfriend that was the suspect of this whole scene?
https://www.local10.com/news/florida/co ... ne-in-home

Police: Coconut Creek murder suspect confessed, wanted to kill everyone in home
Jason Roseman is accused of killing 2, injuring 2 others

By David Dwork - Digital Editor
Posted: 6:38 PM, August 27, 2019

COCONUT CREEK, Fla. - New details are emerging regarding the case of Jason Roseman, the man accused of killing two people and injuring two others last weekend in Coconut Creek.

Roseman, 44, who made his first court appearance Monday, is facing charges of premeditated murder, attempted premeditated murder and violating his probation.

He was ordered to be held without bond.

According to a newly released police report, Roseman told authorities that he killed his girlfriend, Jan Kirkland; her adult daughter Hannah Bonta; and attempted to kill Bonta's boyfriend, Craig Newman.

Newman remains in critical condition at Broward Health North.

Coconut Creek police officer Andrew Renna, 30, was the first to arrive on scene but was shot in the torso before exiting his marked patrol vehicle, police say. He is listed in stable condition.

According to the report, Roseman had been arguing with Kirkland about an ex-boyfriend. It also states that Kirkland also told him that she was pregnant and intended to raise the child without him.

Roseman told police that he "flipped out" after Kirkland pushed him while trying to get through a doorway of the residence they shared, the report read.

According to the report, Roseman grabbed a knife and stabbed Kirkland to death, then dragged her across the home and held her while telling her he loved her.

The report goes on to say Roseman told police he then decided to kill everybody in the house, which included Kirkland's daughter and her daughter's boyfriend, who were sleeping upstairs.

Though there was a gun in the house, Roseman told police he decided to stab everyone instead of shooting them because of the noise the firearm would make.

He stabbed Bonta, who came downstairs first, multiple times before the noise attracted Newman, who Roseman also stabbed, according to the report.

Police say Roseman then took the gun and opened fire on a police vehicle he saw coming down the road. According to the report, Roseman said he did that in hopes that officers would fire back and kill him.

Jackie Fantozzi, who knew Kirkland and Bonta, told Local 10 earlier this week that Kirkland had met Roseman a few months ago and the two developed a romantic relationship.

She also said friends were concerned early on.

"He would be angry, like extremely. I'm telling you possessive jealous," Fantozzi said of Roseman.


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Re: "WHO Needs A Gun? Are You Paranoid!?" Well...Here You Go, Libs...

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:06 am
by GunsandHoses
Too bad the POS wasn't left on scene under a body bag!

Re: "WHO Needs A Gun? Are You Paranoid!?" Well...Here You Go, Libs...

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:23 am
by patw
I am sure ems was dispatched, but they have to wait to make sure the scene is secure and there is no chance they can be killed. The p.d. has to go in first and who knows how long that can take depending on what info. they have. I don't know how their S.O.P. works, so I really can't comment on what they do now after all the school/business shootings lately.

One thing I agree wholeheartedly, we are responsible for our own safety. Not Paranoid, Just Prepared.

Re: "WHO Needs A Gun? Are You Paranoid!?" Well...Here You Go, Libs...

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:42 am
by FfNJGTFO
patw wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:23 am I am sure ems was dispatched, but they have to wait to make sure the scene is secure and there is no chance they can be killed. The p.d. has to go in first and who knows how long that can take depending on what info. they have. I don't know how their S.O.P. works, so I really can't comment on what they do now after all the school/business shootings lately.

One thing I agree wholeheartedly, we are responsible for our own safety. Not Paranoid, Just Prepared.
That is correct. As a retired EMT, I can confirm that we were never allowed to enter a scene unless it was cleared by our local LEA, first. When I was a PIT (Paramedic in Training), we had a LEA escort in most suburbs. We did not when servicing some of the major cities unless it was a known criminal action in progress. Then we also had to wait until the scene was cleared by local LEA. If we entered and then discovered later that it was a criminal action in progress, we were authorized to back away and await clearance by the LEA.

That said, what probably should have happened is to have the apparatus roll to a "fail safe" zone nearby and to await the "clear to enter" order. But I don't recall that happening in this case.