Florida man arrested after attempting to bring gun into Disney park

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Florida man arrested after attempting to bring gun into Disney park

Post by flcracker » Mon May 13, 2019 7:13 pm

IF the news story has the facts straight, this sounds like a bogus arrest. I had always thought that a handgun in a holster in a backpack is not a concealed weapon under the laws of the State of Florida - it is not being carried "on or about a person in such a manner as to conceal the firearm from the ordinary sight of another person".

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafe ... -20190513/
Florida man arrested after attempting to bring gun into Disney park

The 29-year-old was arrested May 7 for attempting to bring a gun to Magic Kingdom.

By Josh Fiallo

A Daytona Beach man was arrested after he tried to enter Disney's Magic Kingdom with a concealed gun in his backpack, records show.

An Orange County Sheriff's Office arrest affidavit says that Terry Bruce, 29, was stopped by security at the entrance of the park after a routine bag check last Tuesday. He has been charged with a third-degree felony for not having a license to carry a concealed weapon.

The affidavit shows that Disney security found a 9 mm handgun in a holster and two loaded magazines during a bag check at the park's Ticket and Transportation Center.

Bruce told the Orlando Sentinel that bringing the gun in the bag "was an honest mistake" and that he completely forgot it was there.

According to the affidavit, he told police that he normally keeps the gun in his trunk or glove department, but left it in his backpack because he and his girlfriend kept switching which car to drive to Orlando. He said he had planned to leave it in the car.

Records show Bruce has since posted a bail of $250.
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....and some rin up hill and down dale, knapping the chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like sae mony road-makers run daft — they say it is to see how the warld was made!
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Post by dammitgriff » Mon May 13, 2019 7:23 pm

Let’s all turn to chapter 790.25 of the 2018 Florida Statutes and read it together:
“790.25. Lawful ownership, possession, and use of firearms and other weapons
(1) Declaration of policy.--The Legislature finds as a matter of public policy and fact that it is necessary to promote firearms safety and to curb and prevent the use of firearms and other weapons in crime and by incompetent persons without prohibiting the lawful use in defense of life, home, and property, and the use by United States or state military organizations, and as otherwise now authorized by law, including the right to use and own firearms for target practice and marksmanship on target practice ranges or other lawful places, and lawful hunting and other lawful purposes.

(2) Uses not authorized.--

(a) This section does not authorize carrying a concealed weapon without a permit, as prohibited by ss. 790.01 and 790.02.

(b) The protections of this section do not apply to the following:

1. A person who has been adjudged mentally incompetent, who is addicted to the use of narcotics or any similar drug, or who is a habitual or chronic alcoholic, or a person using weapons or firearms in violation of ss. 790.07-790.115, 790.145-790.19, 790.22-790.24;

2. Vagrants and other undesirable persons as defined in s. 856.02 [FN1];

3. A person in or about a place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05, unless such person is there for law enforcement or some other lawful purpose.

(3) Lawful uses.--The provisions of ss. 790.053 and 790.06 do not apply in the following instances, and, despite such sections, it is lawful for the following persons to own, possess, and lawfully use firearms and other weapons, ammunition, and supplies for lawful purposes:

(a) Members of the Militia, National Guard, Florida State Defense Force, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, organized reserves, and other armed forces of the state and of the United States, when on duty, when training or preparing themselves for military duty, or while subject to recall or mobilization;

(b) Citizens of this state subject to duty in the Armed Forces under s. 2, Art. X of the State Constitution, under chapters 250 and 251, and under federal laws, when on duty or when training or preparing themselves for military duty;

(c) Persons carrying out or training for emergency management duties under chapter 252;

(d) Sheriffs, marshals, prison or jail wardens, police officers, Florida highway patrol officers, game wardens, revenue officers, forest officials, special officers appointed under the provisions of chapter 354, and other peace and law enforcement officers and their deputies and assistants and full-time paid peace officers of other states and of the Federal Government who are carrying out official duties while in this state;

(e) Officers or employees of the state or United States duly authorized to carry a concealed weapon;

(f) Guards or messengers of common carriers, express companies, armored car carriers, mail carriers, banks, and other financial institutions, while actually employed in and about the shipment, transportation, or delivery of any money, treasure, bullion, bonds, or other thing of value within this state;

(g) Regularly enrolled members of any organization duly authorized to purchase or receive weapons from the United States or from this state, or regularly enrolled members of clubs organized for target, skeet, or trap shooting, while at or going to or from shooting practice; or regularly enrolled members of clubs organized for modern or antique firearms collecting, while such members are at or going to or from their collectors' gun shows, conventions, or exhibits;

(h) A person engaged in fishing, camping, or lawful hunting or going to or returning from a fishing, camping, or lawful hunting expedition;

(i) A person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person while engaged in the lawful course of such business;

(j) A person firing weapons for testing or target practice under safe conditions and in a safe place not prohibited by law or going to or from such place;

(k) A person firing weapons in a safe and secure indoor range for testing and target practice;

(l) A person traveling by private conveyance when the weapon is securely encased or in a public conveyance when the weapon is securely encased and not in the person's manual possession;

(m) A person while carrying a pistol unloaded and in a secure wrapper, concealed or otherwise, from the place of purchase to his or her home or place of business or to a place of repair or back to his or her home or place of business;

(n) A person possessing arms at his or her home or place of business;

(o) Investigators employed by the several public defenders of the state, while actually carrying out official duties, provided such investigators:

1. Are employed full time;

2. Meet the official training standards for firearms established by the Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission as provided in s. 943.12(5) and the requirements of ss. 493.6108(1)(a) and 943.13(1)-(4); and

3. Are individually designated by an affidavit of consent signed by the employing public defender and filed with the clerk of the circuit court in the county in which the employing public defender resides.

(p) Investigators employed by the capital collateral regional counsel, while actually carrying out official duties, provided such investigators:

1. Are employed full time;

2. Meet the official training standards for firearms as established by the Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission as provided in s. 943.12(1) and the requirements of ss. 493.6108(1)(a) and 943.13(1)-(4); and

3. Are individually designated by an affidavit of consent signed by the capital collateral regional counsel and filed with the clerk of the circuit court in the county in which the investigator is headquartered.

(4) Construction.--This act shall be liberally construed to carry out the declaration of policy herein and in favor of the constitutional right to keep and bear arms for lawful purposes. This act is supplemental and additional to existing rights to bear arms now guaranteed by law and decisions of the courts of Florida, and nothing herein shall impair or diminish any of such rights. This act shall supersede any law, ordinance, or regulation in conflict herewith.

(5) Possession in private conveyance.--Notwithstanding subsection (2), it is lawful and is not a violation of s. 790.01 for a person 18 years of age or older to possess a concealed firearm or other weapon for self-defense or other lawful purpose within the interior of a private conveyance, without a license, if the firearm or other weapon is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use. Nothing herein contained prohibits the carrying of a legal firearm other than a handgun anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful use. Nothing herein contained shall be construed to authorize the carrying of a concealed firearm or other weapon on the person. This subsection shall be liberally construed in favor of the lawful use, ownership, and possession of firearms and other weapons, including lawful self-defense as provided in s. 776.012.”


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Post by dammitgriff » Mon May 13, 2019 7:27 pm

Looks like he acted outside the limits of the law to me.
My favorite part of the law is (3)(h).

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Post by flcracker » Mon May 13, 2019 11:21 pm

I'm happy to stand corrected if I was wrong, but I was told many years ago by a firearms instructor that carrying a firearm in a backpack or briefcase was considered to be "off your person".
....and some rin up hill and down dale, knapping the chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like sae mony road-makers run daft — they say it is to see how the warld was made!
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Post by rentprop1 » Mon May 13, 2019 11:45 pm

flcracker wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 11:21 pm
I'm happy to stand corrected if I was wrong, but I was told many years ago by a firearms instructor that carrying a firearm in a backpack or briefcase was considered to be "off your person".
About your person
Same as a purse is to a woman

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Post by Wakko » Tue May 14, 2019 3:27 am

rentprop1 wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 11:45 pm
Same as a purse is to a woman
Why can't a man carry a purse? Sexist.

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Post by flcracker » Tue May 14, 2019 5:15 am

Makes sense. I stand corrected. All these years of carrying with my CWP and not having to think about all these details.......
....and some rin up hill and down dale, knapping the chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like sae mony road-makers run daft — they say it is to see how the warld was made!
Saint Ronan's Well - Sir Walter Scott, Bart. (1824)

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Post by rentprop1 » Tue May 14, 2019 1:33 pm

Wakko wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 3:27 am
rentprop1 wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 11:45 pm
Same as a purse is to a woman
Why can't a man carry a purse? Sexist.
your fanny pack or Fast Action Gun (FAG) Bag went out of style long ago chief....lol :mrgreen:

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Post by Wakko » Tue May 14, 2019 1:43 pm

rentprop1 wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 1:33 pm
your fanny pack or Fast Action Gun (FAG) Bag went out of style long ago chief....lol :mrgreen:
FAG bags never go out of style, and I'm gonna bring fanny packs back! I mean, come on, does your average criminal look at this bad boy and expect it to be housing a 9mm versus vagisil and lip gloss?

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Post by Tenzing_Norgay » Tue May 14, 2019 2:24 pm

This should be required reading for everyone taking the CCW class/test here:

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