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NRA spending six figures against Sen. Joe Manchin, after they supported him.

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NRA spending six figures against Sen. Joe Manchin, after they supported him.

Post by Miami_JBT » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:54 pm


The National Rifle Association is launching a six figure ad campaign against former pro gun darling of West Virgina, Senator Joe Manchin (D).


The 30-second TV ad will run in the Charleston and Bluefield media markets and is mostly of excerpts from President Trump's speech at a recent rally for Republican candidate Patrick Morrissey.

What is ever so interesting is that Sen. Manchin got major support from the NRA in 2010 when he started his campaign for Senate. Chris Cox gave the good senator a glowing review back then.
Joe Manchin's support for individual gun ownership rights has earned him an "A" rating and endorsement from the NRA-PVF. We ask all West Virginia gun owners, hunters and NRA members to vote Joe Manchin for U.S. Senate on November 2nd. Chris Cox, NRA 2010

It is becoming a pattern with the NRA to give such high ratings to politicians to only see them betray gun owners. It has happened on both the State and Federal level. Florida and Vermont being the most prevalent recently with the gun control being passed in those states. Alas, will the NRA learn from these costly mistakes? Will they hold elected officials feet to the fire more closely when they actually start to endorse them or will they rely on the randomness of a four page questioner form?

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Post by dammitgriff » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:45 pm

The real question here is, are NRA members getting the representation they are paying for?

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Post by Miami_JBT » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:59 pm

dammitgriff wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:45 pm
The real question here is, are NRA members getting the representation they are paying for?
From the swamp in the NRA. Hell no....

Marion Hammer: NRA Never Wanted Legal Machine Guns, Bump Fire Stocks - The Truth About Guns

DATE: October 9, 2017
TO: My Fellow Board & Council Members & Friends
FROM: Marion Hammer, NRA past president
RE: Misinformation and Distortion Anger Me

In 1934 the first federal gun control law in America was passed. The National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA) became the law of the land. The NRA was asleep at the switch. Most of us hadn't even been born then. It is not of our making but like all good, honest, law-abiding Americans, the NRA obeys the law. The NFA regulates fully-automatic firearms and has done so for 83 years.

The "bump-stock" device, used by the killer in the Las Vegas shooting, converts a semi-auto rifle to a full-auto rifle. Anyone who has ever used a bump-stock or watched a video demonstrating its use, can only conclude that it is a converter.

If you listened to an audio recording of the shooting during that horrific massacre, you must have concluded that it was full-auto fire. You were not alone, many firearms experts and law enforcement professionals came to the same conclusion. It was not until later that information was released disclosing that bump-stocks had been used to convert semi-automatic firearms to perform like full-auto firearms.

In spite of the seemingly noble reason the manufacturer claims for developing it, the bump-stock circumvents federal law. Regardless of the quality and reliability or lack thereof of this device it converts a semi-auto to full-auto when installed.

Do you have any idea how many people were shocked out of their minds when ATF decided bump-stocks were not subject to regulation and APPROVED them for sale and use? That was under the Obama administration for crying out loud. Your mind is forced to run wild wondering why.

Once the ruling was made, what would you expect NRA to do? Do you think NRA should have said, Oh! No, ATF is wrong, ATF made a mistake?

It doesn't matter what laws the NRA doesn't agree with or doesn't like, the NRA must abide by the law. For decades, over and over again when the enemies of the Second Amendment have tried to capitalize on tragedies by calling for more gun control, NRA has called for enforcing existing law. That is exactly what we are doing now.

Make no mistake, the NRA has NOT cleared the way for more regulation. If it were not for ATF's wink and nod to the manufacturer of the bump-stock, it would already be regulated under federal law. NRA has tossed it back into ATF's lap where it belongs. NRA has not agreed to any new legislation nor has NRA said we agree with any existing NFA legislation. NRA has not agreed to a ban. NRA has not agreed to anything. NRA simply insists upon enforcing existing law.

The enemies freedom and the Second Amendment are spewing hysteria from the podiums they have planted in the blood of innocent victims. These anti-Second Amendment heretics are using these victims as their stalking horse to get some new gun control legislation on the floor of the Congress.

These victims have fallen and are suffering because of the evil acts of a deranged madman who could have carried out his destruction even if bump-stocks were not available under ATF's approval. He would have found another way.

Don't blame bump-stocks, don't blame ATF, don't blame anybody but the evil people who perpetrated this crime. No law, no regulation stops those with evil in their hearts.

The frantic cries from antagonists who want to take your freedom are intended to stampede you and Congress into supporting more gun control.

But it doesn't stop there. Is it not clear to you that, just like the media, some members of the NRA Board are misinterpreting what the NRA has said?

Additionally, there are "Trojan horse members" who are deliberately misinterpreting what the NRA has said. Just like having an (R) after your name doesn't make you a conservative Republican, having an NRA membership card doesn't make you an honest member.

Be very careful of anti-NRA people claiming to have many supporters who are merely standing in a hall of mirrors and seeing their own reflections. Don't be fooled.

This fight is not about the personal financial interests of NRA Board members. This fight should not be used by any individual Board member to attack NRA as a means elevate their own popularity with dissidents and "Trojan horse members."

This particular fight is about following existing law. If you don't believe that bump-stocks convert semi-autos to full-autos then you have not seen what I have seen. While the conversion may be reversible by removing and replacing the device, it none less makes a semi-auto perform like a full-auto when installed.

We do not need new legislation, we do not need new regulation, we simply need ATF to review it's previous approval and enforce existing law. That's what NRA said. That will render bump-stocks irrelevant. There is no need for Congress to be stampeded into doing anything else. No matter how you twist it, or what your own personal agenda may be, the NRA has not compromised.

If ATF won't do it on its own, President Trump should order ATF to review it's ruling made under the Obama administration.

We should stand united. We need to enforce existing law. We don't need any new gun control legislation. Any member of Congress who wants to sacrifice more of our freedom under the pretense of providing safety should know that we don't forgive the betrayal of freedom or the Second Amendment and we won't give a wink and a nod to political eye wash as a substitute for backbone.

The only legislation we need to see on the floor of Congress right now is carry reciprocity and elimination of suppressor regulations.

Marion Hammer

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Post by jjk308 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:37 am

Manchin was very good on gun rights as governor but moved far left after he became a senator in 2013.
Now he's been doing the absolute minimum to keep what he hopes is reelection support in WVA while otherwise toeing the anti-gun party line to avoid any major primary opposition and get out of state campaign financing from the DNC and congressional Democratic PACs.
In other words his only fixed belief was in getting elected, not your rights.
The NRA has acted correctly in his case.

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Post by Firemedic2000 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:59 pm

I think there's a problem of politicians running as republicans and pretending they support this or that. Just to get elected. Then once elected they turn coat.

They've not only fooled us as voters they fooled everyone. I've always said that the Democrats had planted sleeper political leaders in the GOP in case they gained power to thwart their party.

Look at SESSIONS he sure had alot of people fooled up front. But the moment he got put in as AG he's done nothing.

Look at other politians that ran as GOP and the moment they were elected you'd swear they were Democratic Socialist.

Why not the Democrats had their hands into every dept of the government to corrupt it in their favor.
In the Government's/Elitist eye's I'm a Terrorist for believing in the Constitution and taking an oath to defend it instead of destroying it

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Post by jjk308 » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:55 am

Firemedic2000 wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:59 pm
I think there's a problem of politicians running as republicans ....
Ahem. Manchin is and always has been a Democrat. Problem is he dropped RKBA the second he was sworn in as a USA senator and accepted all the anti-firearms rights platform of the DNC.

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