CWP has some problems coming down the pipe

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Allme
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CWP has some problems coming down the pipe

Post by Allme » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:57 pm

Looks like the new Agricultural Commissioner is starting sh*t for CWP holders. Doesn't look good if you got into an argument with your wife or GF 16 years ago, or even if you didn't. :roll: When are they going to finally put constitutional carry through, that would nip this garbage right in the bud?

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/ ... nightmare/


It Begins: Nikki Fried Turning Florida’s Concealed Weapon Permit System Into a Bureaucratic Nightmare

by Luis Valdes | Mar 05, 2019 | 126 comments

Florida’s newly-elected Democrat Commissioner of Agriculture and Consumer Services, Nikki Fried, oversees the issuance of concealed carry permits in the state. During her campaign, she vowed to use her office to crack down on guns in every way possible. I figured that meant that she’d accomplish that through creative interpretation and application of the laws concerning concealed carry in the Sunshine State.

Since taking office, she has added some well-known anti-gun individuals to her staff. Folks like Fred Guttenberg and Mary Barzee Flores.

Now, a fellow Florida gun owner I know (who wishes to remain anonymous) is facing some of the first effects of Fried’s anti-gun jihad. And he isn’t alone.

My friend received a certified letter from the Commissioner’s office stating that his concealed weapons permit had been indefinitely suspended. The Ag Department claimed this was because he had an injunction (restraining order) filed against him in Nassau County in 2003. The only problem with that is that it never happened.

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He called the Nassau County Clerk’s office to confirm that they have no record of any injunction issued against him. He then went to the local Dept. of Agriculture and Consumer Services office to explain and see if he could get the situation resolved.

Instead of listening and verifying the information he provided, they simply confiscated his carry permit. They told him he had to go to the Clerk of Court’s office and get a court-certified letter stating they have no record of any injunction issued against him. Then he’d get his permit back.

That’s correct. A state agency is demanding that a citizen prove his innocence so he can exercise a constitutional right.

This individual has been a concealed weapon permit holder in Florida for twelve years. He originally applied in 2007 and renewed in 2017. Both times he was approved via the state’s background screening process. He also is a Federal Firearms License holder and passed BATFE’s background check process in 2008.

My friend called the Clerk of Court’s office. They explained again that they have no record of any injunction being filed against him. Furthermore, he was never served with papers to that effect. There is no record of “return of service” or “return of writ” in their database, which means that no injunction was filed against him without him being served.

His permit was pulled by Fried’s office to fulfill a campaign promise. The last Agriculture Commissioner, Adam Putnam, had a problem resulting in 291 permits mistakenly issued to people who didn’t qualify. That’s out of 1.9 million total. Fried and state Democrats seized on the issue, campaigning heavily on the need to go over everyone’s record with a fine-tooth comb.

Never mind the fact that 291 out of 1.9 million is basically a rounding error. I have a better chance of winning the lottery and getting struck by lightning at the same time. But the error provided the perfect excuse and she is using it as her reason to push gun control from her new position.

My friend got the certified letter from the Clerk of Court’s office on March 4 stating that there is no record of such injunction filed against him.

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He had the proof he was told he needed to verify his innocence and he delivered it to the Ag Department. He should then have gotten his permit back. Did they return it? No. Instead they told him this:

“Thank you for returning the required paperwork, we’re going to have to send this off to Tallahassee for verification and filing. We’ll send you a letter in 3-4 weeks to let you know when you can come back to pick up your permit.”

My friend now has to wait as much as a month because of the Ag. Department’s “error.” How did they determine that a non-existent restraining order had been filed against him? We may never know. But my friend wasn’t the only concealed weapon permit holder to have his ticket pulled.

He told me…

“On the way out I walked by a guy who was lost and looking for the CWP office, gave him directions. He looked like he had a certified letter in his hand too, poor guy.”

We live in an age of instantaneous communication across the globe and yet the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services is saying that they’ll need three to four weeks to “verify” the certified letter my friend handed them. And they’ll need to do it from Tallahassee.

Apparently having the local office pick up a phone to call the Clerk of Court or using information from the Florida Comprehensive Case Information System or the public Clerk of Courts’ database is utterly beyond their bureaucratic capabilities.

Or maybe this is exactly the way the new Commissioner wants these cases handled. Because a right delayed is a right denied.

Fried appears to be using regulatory stagnation in order to accomplish her goals. She’s turning a once smooth-running machine into a bureaucratic nightmare, making people jump through hoops in order to retain their right to keep and bear arms.

Elections have consequences.

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Post by lakelandman » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:17 pm

That is very sad you have to go through all that BS what a nightmare. :shock:
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Post by NorincoKid » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:25 pm

Allme wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:57 pm
We live in an age of instantaneous communication across the globe and yet the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services is saying that they’ll need three to four weeks to “verify” the certified letter my friend handed them. And they’ll need to do it from Tallahassee.

When I first got my Carry Permit in New York, it took about 18 months after submitting all the paperwork, photos, fingerprints and checks for fees to actually receive the permit.

Im not sure how the process works down here, I haven't gone for it yet. Is 3-4 weeks an unreasonable amount of time?

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Post by TC6969 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:35 pm

We've kind of been discussing this since last Tuesday over in Politics.

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Post by photohause » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:00 pm

Once he gets it back, he should submit this info to the largest circulating newspaper ...one never knows, it could get printed.

Norinco, I think it's the principal not the time length which is the issue. Any yes, I had a NY permit, and a NYC permit. It took a long time. In addition, you could only purchase a handgun by specifically yielding the make, model and SN, and at that time you could not have six or eight handguns, maybe three to four, with good reason.
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Post by Wizard78 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:21 pm

This is very disturbing and we should all be concerned. Please forgive me for being someone that looks at wording regarding this. We DON'T have a "permit"! We have a Concealed Weapons or Firearm LICENSE! A "permit" is issued as a right of the sate. A "license" is issued as a right of the individual as long as that right hasn't been revoked because of a felony or other disqualifying issues. If we keep calling it a permit, the state will start interpreting it as such. Rant over and thanks.
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Post by GunsandHoses » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:22 pm

Maybe it's time for a class action lawsuit?

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Post by Dr. Dickie » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:27 pm

NorincoKid wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:25 pm
Allme wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:57 pm
We live in an age of instantaneous communication across the globe and yet the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services is saying that they’ll need three to four weeks to “verify” the certified letter my friend handed them. And they’ll need to do it from Tallahassee.

When I first got my Carry Permit in New York, it took about 18 months after submitting all the paperwork, photos, fingerprints and checks for fees to actually receive the permit.

Im not sure how the process works down here, I haven't gone for it yet. Is 3-4 weeks an unreasonable amount of time?
No, when I first got mine back in '87 that was about the time it took. Last time I renewed, it was all done on-line and took about 1.5 weeks. But with this new C*&T running things, I would expect 3-4 weeks.

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Post by P5 Guy » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:07 am

With enough complaints she'll have proven the CCW process needs to be moved from her department.

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Post by Allme » Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:21 am

Wizard78 wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:21 pm
This is very disturbing and we should all be concerned. Please forgive me for being someone that looks at wording regarding this. We DON'T have a "permit"! We have a Concealed Weapons or Firearm LICENSE! A "permit" is issued as a right of the sate. A "license" is issued as a right of the individual as long as that right hasn't been revoked because of a felony or other disqualifying issues. If we keep calling it a permit, the state will start interpreting it as such. Rant over and thanks. How about everyone get behind constitutional carry like the 14 other states that have passed it within the last 2-3 months or so?
Ok. You need a license to drive a car, thats a "privilege" well established doctrine. Self defense and the exercising of that right (not even mentioning the 2nd amendment) is a RIGHT.. So why should anyone need a license/permit ANYTHING to exercise a right? Fudds around here are out of control, they are the real reason why the 2nd is in jeopardy... Always giving up that inch.

PS. Could you please point me to the portion of the constitution that refers to "except felons", I seem to have missed that.

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