Question for LEO

atcdoug · Post by **atcdoug** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:12 pm

When buying and trading among Florida residents it is not always feasible to meet at ones home. It seems I am finding myself sometimes doing this in public parking lots. Is this perfectly legal? What if a passer by sees us? I have a CCW but it's sometimes hard to conceal a trade or sale without looking at it. I don't flash or hold a handgun up to the light but what if someone unexpectedly walk by and saw us and decided to call you? Are there any consequences? Thanks!

mjmensale · Post by **mjmensale** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:12 am

Just my non-LEO perspective. Florida law doesn't regulate private firearms sales or trades. Therefore it doesn't regulate where the sale or trade can occur.

I've done many private deals away from home. Overlooking the ocean, in gas station parking lots, whatever. Regardless of the location, discretion should be paramount. Is there a possibility that someone will get nosey and call the cops? Sure, but you're conducting a legal transaction and shouldn't get panicked if the cops do show up. At that point use common sense and move slowly!

Moe

matt7184 · Post by **matt7184** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:49 am

I agree, just use common sense.

You will be suprised how little attention people pay. Kinda like how people think everyone is looking at their gun when they carry concealed.

Cloaked Dagger · Post by **Cloaked Dagger** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:58 am

matt7184 wrote:I agree, just use common sense.

You will be suprised how little attention people pay. Kinda like how people think everyone is looking at their gun when they carry concealed.

Indeed.

I once bought a firearm private party. We met in a gas station parking lot. The way we did the deal was I steped into his office(his car) sat down, inspected the gun and did the sale there. Nice car too. Anyway, cars are generally(though not always) treated as private property the same way as your house. Just an idea for you.

Of course if it is a large firearm inspecting it in the confines of a car maybe to difficult.

mjmensale · Post by **mjmensale** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:27 am

Cloaked Dagger wrote:Of course if it is a large firearm inspecting it in the confines of a car maybe to difficult.

I bought an M1A (pretty large gun!) from member Lincoln's Wax (I believe) several years ago. We met at a gas station and I inspected it in his car. I knew what I was looking for and it never went above door level. And there were quite a few people hanging around.

Moe

matt7184 · Post by **matt7184** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:31 am

If you do it in a Walmart parking lot or of a place that sells guns probably would scare the sheeple less also...just a thought.

Chubber · Post by **Chubber** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:23 pm

Yeah, just don't go "inspecting" a shotgun for sale in the bank parking lot and you will have a lot less misunderstandings...

glockpacker · Post by **glockpacker** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:36 pm

I've bought two .22 pistols in Fort Lauderdale city parks, a Makarov in a Denny's parking lot, an AK-47 in a Publix parking lot, a Mosin-Nagant in an IHOP parking lot, and my 12 guage in a gun club parking lot.

Otherwise, I've bought lots in the privacy of people's homes.

Chubber · Post by **Chubber** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:59 pm

glockpacker wrote:a Makarov in a Denny's parking lot

Hey, I bought a Makarov in a Denny's parking lot once. I guess they just go together.

pyrguns2003 · Post by **pyrguns2003** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:31 pm

O.K. Here is the law for Pinellas County:

Sec. 86-85. Intent and purpose.
It is the intent of this ordinance to implement in the county the constitutionally granted authority to ensure that no firearm is sold, offered for sale, transferred or delivered where any part of the transaction is conducted on property to which the public has a right of access unless there is a three full day waiting period and a national criminal history background check of the potential purchaser is conducted. This ordinance applies to both seller and purchasers of firearms

Now my question is.....
If you are in your car (private property) does this effect you?
ie...
If you are in Walmart parking lot, where it is against the law, but in your car, how does that pan out?

mjmensale · Post by **mjmensale** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:19 pm

Since Florida state law doesn't regulate private firearms sales between individuals of legal standing, I would say the Pinellas County ordinance is invalid.

Moe

DeltaWolf · Post by **DeltaWolf** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:40 am

Wall-Mart has to many camera's on the light poles for me,
but there are plenty of other places.

RiPPeD · Post by **RiPPeD** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:42 pm

Oh no.. Walmart the new guberment... big brother is watching you shop.. LOL JK.. the only thing i could forsee a LEO doing if respoded to a transaction. he would most likely run both individuals and the firearms on scene. if he/she even wished to go that far.

glockpacker · Post by **glockpacker** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:22 pm

Oh, and an SKS in a motel room in Palm Bay.

The .22's were bought from neeko and head. They're the only ones that looked at my CCW license.

pyrguns2003 · Post by **pyrguns2003** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:30 pm

mjmensale wrote:Since Florida state law doesn't regulate private firearms sales between individuals of legal standing, I would say the Pinellas County ordinance is invalid.

Moe

Going from the top of the pyramid.

Federal
State
County
City

Where you are located at the time of transaction, means that you have to follow local ordinances, regulations.
If Pinellas County Sherrif's dept were to be called to the scene where there was a suspicious transaction taking place, they would have every right to enforce the ordinance.