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Re: Concealed carry badges, yes or no.

Post by TACCOP » Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:55 am

Firemen and EMS do not carry their badges as a credentialed symbol. You can have a badge and many departments do issue badges to firemen but their is not law enforcement power with it. Also I was specifically referring to CCW, PI and Bail guys. And yes the state seal is prohibited from being on a PI, CCW badge.
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TACCOP wrote: A badge is a credentialed symbol for Law Enforcement. Many wannabees carry badges that are replicas of LE.

A badge is not just for law enforcement...fire dept and ems dept personnel carry, display and wear badges. Last I checked, im not a wannabee.. and neither are my fellow coworkers, and our badges look very much so like badges a police office might wear.

In fact, let me twist this around.. cops wear badges that look like OUR badges.. maybe they're the wannabee? [-X
TACCOP wrote: However, with that said it is not illegal to possess a badge that states Concealed Weapons Permit and does not have the seal of the US or a State.
So since when is it illegal to possess a badge with the state seal on it?

Should I be turning myself in since my badge isnt a LEO badge, but it has the state seal on it? :-k



I do want to point out however, that anyone that is not authorized by their position (ie: police, fire & ems) should not carry a badge, and has no real reason to want or need a badge... including CCW badges.
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Re: Concealed carry badges, yes or no.

Post by False Prophet » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:34 am

TACCOP wrote:Private Investigators, Bail Bondsmen and Concealed Weapon Carriers make it a point to carry a badges (with no power behind it). I am not sure why and I will never understand it.

Private Investigators have had badges as long as police have. They are a heavily regulated industry and most of them come from a law enforcement background. I have no problems with PI's carrying badges and respect their work. BTW, a badge isn't what gives you "power", even if you are the popo.

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Re: Concealed carry badges, yes or no.

Post by FLEMTP » Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:05 pm

False Prophet wrote: BTW, a badge isn't what gives you "power", even if you are the popo.

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A badge is no more than a fancy ID stamped out of metal. Thats why they issue badges to Fire Fighters and EMS.. it has nothing to do with "power"

A cop without a badge still has the power of arrest.

Something you may not know.. firefighters in the state of florida are considered sworn personnel. ( not law enforcement sworn, but firefigher sworn) and they are exempt from public record just like law enforcement.
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Re: Concealed carry badges, yes or no.

Post by Mushinto » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:47 pm

FLEMTP wrote:... Something you may not know.. firefighters in the state of florida are considered sworn personnel. ( not law enforcement sworn, but firefigher sworn) and they are exempt from public record just like law enforcement.
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Re: Concealed carry badges, yes or no.

Post by IraG2362 » Fri May 01, 2009 9:05 am

TACCOP wrote:Firemen and EMS do not carry their badges as a credentialed symbol. You can have a badge and many departments do issue badges to firemen but their is not law enforcement power with it. Also I was specifically referring to CCW, PI and Bail guys. And yes the state seal is prohibited from being on a PI, CCW badge.
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TACCOP wrote: A badge is a credentialed symbol for Law Enforcement. Many wannabees carry badges that are replicas of LE.

A badge is not just for law enforcement...fire dept and ems dept personnel carry, display and wear badges. Last I checked, im not a wannabee.. and neither are my fellow coworkers, and our badges look very much so like badges a police office might wear.

In fact, let me twist this around.. cops wear badges that look like OUR badges.. maybe they're the wannabee? [-X
TACCOP wrote: However, with that said it is not illegal to possess a badge that states Concealed Weapons Permit and does not have the seal of the US or a State.
So since when is it illegal to possess a badge with the state seal on it?

Should I be turning myself in since my badge isnt a LEO badge, but it has the state seal on it? :-k



I do want to point out however, that anyone that is not authorized by their position (ie: police, fire & ems) should not carry a badge, and has no real reason to want or need a badge... including CCW badges.

I am both a Firefighter and PI , I do have a Badge which i carry in my wallet issued by my Fire Dept but I do not carry nor own a badge as a PI, I am not a wanna be Cop ( i hold Police Officers with the Highest respect ) . I do take offense at your statements though. Many PI's I know are either former LEO or Former Government investigaters. Are there others who have know LEO background? i am sure there are but to label us all is wrong.
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Re: Concealed carry badges, yes or no.

Post by wakkoss » Mon May 04, 2009 5:42 am

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BTW, a badge isn't what gives you "power", even if you are the popo.
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Re: Concealed carry badges, yes or no.

Post by CFD-shadow » Wed May 06, 2009 6:22 am

For 28 years on the job my badge stayed on or with my class my class A uniform in my locker.

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Re: Concealed carry badges, yes or no.

Post by Osprey » Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:52 pm

A lot of good info here. I've been in LE for over 20 years. I personally don't carry a badge exposed or where it can be seen by accident if I'm off duty. If a subject is going to commit a crime, he's going to target the identified armed person (cop, cwp, etc) to prevent anyone from interfering with his crime. We've probably all seen on the news, situations where an armed person fought back and was killed. We've personally had several here at my agency over the past 20 years or so. In my opinion, you have no option but to fight back if you are attacked. So what it boils down to is this: you have to talk to people who are knowledgeable and have done a lot of training over the years (like what you guys are doing now). Think about what you would do in different scenarios so that your mind doesn't go blank if it suddenly happens to you. Your mind will have something to refer back to, instead of not computing because of no information in the old noggin.

If you are attacked, the surprise to the subject that you are in fact armed and willing to to repel his attack,and have not broadcast it, very well may give you the edge you need to cancel his ticket.





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Post by #1Glock30 » Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:08 pm

Osprey wrote:A lot of good info here. I've been in LE for over 20 years. I personally don't carry a badge exposed or where it can be seen by accident if I'm off duty. If a subject is going to commit a crime, he's going to target the identified armed person (cop, cwp, etc) to prevent anyone from interfering with his crime. We've probably all seen on the news, situations where an armed person fought back and was killed. We've personally had several here at my agency over the past 20 years or so. In my opinion, you have no option but to fight back if you are attacked. So what it boils down to is this: you have to talk to people who are knowledgeable and have done a lot of training over the years (like what you guys are doing now). Think about what you would do in different scenarios so that your mind doesn't go blank if it suddenly happens to you. Your mind will have something to refer back to, instead of not computing because of no information in the old noggin.

If you are attacked, the surprise to the subject that you are in fact armed and willing to to repel his attack,and have not broadcast it, very well may give you the edge you need to cancel his ticket. /:f

I agree Osprey, there is a lot of good info including your post. Funny thing is all this good info and that old couple at the gun shows with all the badges and accessories are still in business. I see them making money hand over fist. [smilie=011.gif]
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Re: Concealed carry badges, yes or no.

Post by mikecu » Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:59 pm

I think that I have some plastic pilot wings. That makes me an air marshal and a pilot.

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Re: Concealed carry badges, yes or no.

Post by Mr. Smith » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:16 pm

mikecu wrote:I think that I have some plastic pilot wings. That makes me an air marshal and a pilot.
Oh good lord! That’s just ridiculous, plastic pilot wings DO NOT make you an air marshal and a pilot, plastic pilot wings can only make you a pilot!

To be an air marshal you have to get a plastic badge and sand or file off the “Sherriff,” “Police” or whatnot that’s on the badge and then write in permanent marker “Air Marshal” like I did to become an Air Marshal.

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Re: Concealed carry badges, yes or no.

Post by mikecu » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:18 pm

Mr. Smith wrote:
mikecu wrote:I think that I have some plastic pilot wings. That makes me an air marshal and a pilot.
Oh good lord! That’s just ridiculous, plastic pilot wings DO NOT make you an air marshal and a pilot, plastic pilot wings can only make you a pilot!

To be an air marshal you have to get a plastic badge and sand or file off the “Sherriff,” “Police” or whatnot that’s on the badge and then write in permanent marker “Air Marshal” like I did to become an Air Marshal.

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Post by molivo » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:31 pm

FLEMTP wrote:
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A cop without a badge still has the power of arrest.
So does any Florida citizen in the case of a felony if you want to get technical. I have to tell you though, if some dude walked up to me with no badge/leo ID and said "Your under arrest put your hands behind your back", It would certainly not go as smoothly as if he was badged and in uniform.
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Re: Concealed carry badges, yes or no.

Post by False Prophet » Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:55 pm

On a side note, citizens arrests are valid in every state but each state has different guidelines which I won't get into here. For the record, the State of Florida does not have a statutory guideline that permits a citizen's arrest but you can still do so under common law. Citizen's arrest in Florida extends primarily to places of business.

As far as I am aware, FL. law only allows people to be detained by a business under two circumstances: 1) the owner or employees of a store can detain someone when they have probable cause to believe that someone committed retail theft and that the detention will result in recovery of the property, and 2) the operator of a hotel or restaurant can also detain someone for disorderly conduct.

If you think about making a citizens arrest on the street, make sure you know the law and have access to a good attorney. For example, you can't use force for a misdemeanor, etc.. Any screw up on your part and the person you detained can and will sue the pants off of you for violating their civil rights.

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Post by Osprey » Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:59 am

+1 on that. I don't think anyone should get involved in any police type action unless it is involving death or serious bodily injury to themselves or another person. It just isn't worth all the aggravation with the local PD treating you like you have overstepped your boundaries, the State Attorneys Office deciding whether to charge you or not or being sued civilly in federal court for everything you own. Of course, in my case it wouldn't be worth much more than a $100 to them to sue me. [smilie=011.gif]

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Osprey wrote:Of course, in my case it wouldn't be worth much more than a $100 to them to sue me. [smilie=011.gif]
LOL. The only problem is that judgments apply to future earnings as well. I guess there's always bankruptcy. [smilie=033.gif] [smilie=011.gif]
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Post by #1Glock30 » Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:33 pm

False Prophet wrote:"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" -- Sigmund Freud
Pistolphobia huh?
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Post by Osprey » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:11 pm

selfdefenseweaponphobia! (Is that a word?) Knife, club, gun, bow and arrow or spit wad. You have no right to defend yourself in this socialistic leaning world order. [smilie=011.gif]

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Post by Mr. Smith » Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:45 am

Osprey wrote:You have no right to defend yourself in this socialistic leaning world order. [smilie=011.gif]
All joking aside, I’m sure you are aware of the truth of your statement.

What burns my butt is the shift of consciousness that is being perpetrated on the public. It used to be that the citizens of our country were free; that is, that we belonged to ourselves.

As is true of most legislation, one could ask the question, “who owns me, my body, and the fruits of my labor?” I understand that we all have to pay taxes, etc. but all too often today “we the people” are treated as though we do not belong to ourselves. Our taxes are deducted from our check before we can “pay” them, then the .gov kindly returns some of our own money to us in the form of a “refund.” The .gov of some states has made suicide illegal, and don’t even get me started on “illegal” drugs and/or medicines from other countries. The right to defend ourselves is just one indication that the .gov doesn't consider you, your body, and the fruits of your labor to be yours.

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Re: Concealed carry badges, yes or no.

Post by Robs » Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:34 pm

Concealed carry badges, yes or no.

NO.

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