Just remember: gun board bravery is a completely different animal than jailhouse bravery. Don't confuse the two.
How about gun board cowardice?
What is the point of this whole discussion again?
The point, originally, was that somebody asked a question.
As far bravery v. cowardice, my comment came in the context of addressing people who didn't seem to quite grasp that if they are asked to leave, they have to leave, period. Failure to do so is an armed trespass, which is a felony. This means you get to spend some time in very
close quarters with a lot of people you may not ordinarily associate with; you get to give lots of money to lawyers; and, oh yeah, if you are convicted, you lose the right to own a firearm, almost certainly forever.
The was the context of my comment. What is the context of yours?
As an aside, and not directly fitting the facts we have been talking, but showing that prosecutors LOVE to escalate charges when they can, check these out:
http://heraldtribune.com/article/200707 ... /707030369
(I can't decide who is the bigger idiot, the columnist, the prosecutor or the guy carrying):
A good gun law test case is ruined
No defense attorney could object to the way David Otteni got a not guilty verdict at his armed trespass trial.
But I'm disappointed.
The verdict is fine. I never thought the Palmetto man deserved a felony conviction. But I had hoped his trial would enlighten us about the possible legal hazards of carrying a concealed weapon to places like the mall or, as in this case, The Home Depot.
Otteni was at a Home Depot and became an unhappy customer when refused a refund on some plumbing parts. When he tried not to take no for an answer, his assertiveness held up business at the customer service line.
When the manager told him to leave, Otteni didn't. A store employee called 911.
That almost certainly would have resulted in a trespass warning, normally, unless Otteni had also refused to leave after police arrived. As it happened, Otteni thought better of his position and was already outside when a Manatee County deputy arrived. But before Otteni went outside, he had told employees to tell police that he had a concealed weapon permit and a gun.
His attorney, Mark Lipinski, says Otteni had been taught it was the right thing to do, so police aren't surprised at finding a gun and don't assume it is illegally concealed. Otteni had learned that while acting as a civilian volunteer for the Palmetto Police Department.
Still, the mood of the plumbing parts disagreement didn't become more relaxed with mention of a gun. And that's the thing. If you get into an argument with a stranger and he says he's got a gun, you'd probably think he was using it to win the argument.
When a deputy arrived, she quickly arrested Otteni. She charged him with armed trespass, a felony.
Otteni was shocked. But prosecutors decided it was a reasonable charge. Assistant State Attorney Jamie Rosenberg said a gun, permitted or not, becomes part of the offense if you break the law while carrying it.
That would make sense if the charge was armed robbery, certainly. But for staying a few minutes after being asked to leave a store?
Lipinski was pumped to argue that this was a ridiculously extreme view of the armed trespass statute. And this might have been the perfect test case to determine if legally carrying a gun totally raises your risks if you step into a gray area of the law.
Instead, at trial a deputy and two other witnesses looked right past the defendant and into the audience and identified the defendant's brother as the man at The Home Depot service counter.
So, instead, the case was dismissed and became just another example of how wrong eyewitnesses can be.
Here is an earlier story on the case, which gives some other important background:
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs. ... /702120364
And, in another context altogether, here is another recent case of a prosecutor trying to escalate charges into felony trespass:
http://tkcollier.wordpress.com/2007/06/ ... in-felony/
The shooter is certainly an idiot. But should he be a felon, losing his right to vote, self-defense, etc.?
So, the next time you do your "cowardice v. bravery" calculations, you might want to consider how things actually work in the legal system. Nobody involved in that system cares one damn about anything anyone ever posts here--me, you, and Moe included--unless, of course, they can use it against you to show a premeditated intent.