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tube mag rimfire vs centerfire

Post by dieselbeef » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:38 pm

bad to load a centerfire 357 tube mag like a henry but not bad to do it in a 22 mag rimfire
why not? rimfire goes off anywhere a striker gets it...I get the pointy thing in a center fire

so tell me the difference
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Re: tube mag rimfire vs centerfire

Post by Casual » Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:06 pm

I've only seen 1 .357 bullet that shouldn't go in a tube feed and it's a 50s era metal piercing round... what are you comparing? ?
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Re: tube mag rimfire vs centerfire

Post by flcracker » Fri Jan 08, 2016 12:00 am

The priming charge in a rimfire round is located in.... the rim. Not in the center.

My old T/C Contender has a switchable firing pin selector. If you leave it flipped to centerfire and drop the hammer on a rimfire round, all you get is a"click " - no "bang".
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Re: tube mag rimfire vs centerfire

Post by dieselbeef » Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:10 am

well what I was getting at is the tube explosion thing. I know the rimfire is..rimfire...but they do seem to go pretty close to the center. im thinking bouncing around in the tube. a flat nose 357 or any flatnose bullet is safe in a tube.

the 2 that got me thinking was my 2 henrys. one a 22mag and the other a 357. some of the mag rds can be kinda pointy but since ya never hear bout it I guess they aint pointy enough

just thinking
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Re: tube mag rimfire vs centerfire

Post by flcracker » Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:13 am

Maybe I'm not understanding what you're getting at, but IMHO, there is no way that a 22 LR or 22mag (or ANY caliber loaded in the correct tube mag) can rattle around so much that the pointed bullet tip gets anywhere close to the rim of the round in front of it.

Lay two 22mag rounds end to end on the table along side a straight edge and see how far out of alignment they would need to be for the tip of the back bullet to contact the rim of the case in front of it. That angle would jam any tube mag I've ever seen.

Does your 22 ammo rattle in the tube? I'm thinking that even if the 357 and the 22 have the same outside diameter on their tubes, there must be a liner that reduces the inside diameter on the 22 so the ammo rounds stay straight. If it were loose enough to rattle, they'd never feed properly.

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Re: tube mag rimfire vs centerfire

Post by dieselbeef » Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:55 am

well I hadn't done all that thinkin bout it. just the initial thought of why one would and the other wouldn't. don't really know how tight theyare but im getting mostly they cant angle that much
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Re: tube mag rimfire vs centerfire

Post by dieselbeef » Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:55 am

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Re: tube mag rimfire vs centerfire

Post by Racist Infidel » Mon Feb 15, 2016 2:57 pm

I handload 30-30 with Remington 150 gr. round nosed bullets. There is not enough of a point on the tip of the bullet to deform the primer cup and cause ignition.

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Re: tube mag rimfire vs centerfire

Post by TC6969 » Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:46 pm

Putting pointed tip bullets in a tube mag is supposed to be bad Juju and instant death for anyone within 30'.

The problem is, no one no where nohow can document it as actually ever happening.

Its always someones sisters boyfriends next door neighbors uncle who got blowed up!
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Re: tube mag rimfire vs centerfire

Post by Rentprop1 » Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:52 pm

Yeah bit there is a reason you sit on a bar stool rather than broom stick.....same principal ??
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Re: tube mag rimfire vs centerfire

Post by dieselbeef » Sat Apr 02, 2016 5:38 am

if in fact it is true then primers must just go off easier than rimfire ammo....
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Re: tube mag rimfire vs centerfire

Post by TC6969 » Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:55 pm

Rentprop1 wrote:Yeah bit there is a reason you sit on a bar stool rather than broom stick.....same principal ??
No!

That doesn't even make any sense!
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Re: tube mag rimfire vs centerfire

Post by TC6969 » Sat Apr 02, 2016 3:14 pm

dieselbeef wrote:if in fact it is true then primers must just go off easier than rimfire ammo....
Thats the whole point gary.

None of them go off easy.

The chemical compound that does all the work in a primer needs to crushed against some solid object with considerable force.

In a .22, its the other side of the rim (not the center) which is against the chamber.

In center fire, its a little anvil that's built into the primer cup.

Have you ever cleared an AR15 and seen the dent in the primer from the bolt slamming into it?

That's WAY more force than jostling around in a tube mag would ever produce.

Maybe if you dropped a Henry .357 butt down from a 3 story building, you MIGHT get one to go, but how likely is THAT to happen?

COULD it happen? sure!

Could a wheel assembly fall off a 747, come through your roof and crush you in your bed? Sure!
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Post by Rentprop1 » Sat Apr 02, 2016 5:37 pm

Could that broom stick slip and penetrate your anus ( and you'll like it ) ...sure...I'll stick with he bar stool
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Post by speed_racer » Sat Apr 02, 2016 6:37 pm

Rentprop1 wrote:Could that broom stick slip and penetrate your anus ( and you'll like it ) ...sure...I'll stick with he bar stool
Only from you....... This guy has ass issues... whether hemorrhoids , too much anal sex, or too much porn, something is wrong with you brother.
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Re: tube mag rimfire vs centerfire

Post by TC6969 » Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:07 pm

speed_racer wrote:
Rentprop1 wrote:Could that broom stick slip and penetrate your anus ( and you'll like it ) ...sure...I'll stick with he bar stool
Only from you....... This guy has ass issues... whether hemorrhoids , too much anal sex, or too much porn, something is wrong with you brother.
He DOES seem to have quite a lot of experience with things penetrating his anus! [smilie=011.gif]
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Re: tube mag rimfire vs centerfire

Post by dieselbeef » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:01 am

pegger? [smilie=011.gif]
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Re: tube mag rimfire vs centerfire

Post by M14man » Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:35 pm

In centerfire cartridges like 30-30 or 30:06 pointed bullets resting against primers face a large recoil factor. Recoil is not an issue of concern as to whether primers could be detonated in the .22M.

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Re: tube mag rimfire vs centerfire

Post by TC6969 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:26 pm

M14man wrote:In centerfire cartridges like 30-30 or 30:06 pointed bullets resting against primers face a large recoil factor. Recoil is not an issue of concern as to whether primers could be detonated in the .22M.
Ok. So quote us some numbers here.

How large a "recoil factor" are we talking about with a row of cartridges sliding back and forth against a spring vs a firing pin hitting a primer on a cartridge that's firmly locked in a chamber?

And while we're at it, what exactly is a "recoil factor" anyway?
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Re: tube mag rimfire vs centerfire

Post by M14man » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:38 pm

Did you ever see an eyebrow cut?
Not from a rimfire I am sure! Cartridges are not loose in the tube. They are held in place pushing against each other by the mag tuibe spring. The rearward momentum of recoil drives the point into the primer. Recoil can be quite sharp. You don't have that level of recoil in a rimfire.

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