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Marion Hammer - hero or villain?

Post by flcracker » Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:41 pm

There have been many negative posts here in the past regarding Marion Hammer and the NRA.

However, the following articles show that the anti-s, hoplophobes, and libitards consider her a force to be reckoned with.

Who will carry the torch when she is gone?

http://www.tampabay.com/florida-politic ... on-hammer/

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018 ... n-policies
and some rin up hill and down dale, knapping the chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like sae mony road-makers run daft - they say it is to see how the warld was made!

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Re: Marion Hammer - hero or villain?

Post by Gregh181 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:43 pm

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Re: Marion Hammer - hero or villain?

Post by flcracker » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:52 pm

Gregh181 wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:43 pm
Dana Loesch
I meant, as a lobbyist here in Florida. Dana is political activist and commentator, radio and television host, and author - not a lobbyist. I don't see anyone stepping up to fill Marion's shoes in Tallahassee.
and some rin up hill and down dale, knapping the chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like sae mony road-makers run daft - they say it is to see how the warld was made!

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Re: Marion Hammer - hero or villain?

Post by George W » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:39 pm

I always saw her as a Fudd.
I have no idea who will replace her lobbying, but please don't let them be another Fudd willing to trade our rights for votes.
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Re: Marion Hammer - hero or villain?

Post by jjk308 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:43 am

George W wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:39 pm
I always saw her as a Fudd.
I have no idea who will replace her lobbying, but please don't let them be another Fudd willing to trade our rights for votes.
"Fudd"? You don't seem to understand anything about the political process.

If you adopt the absolutist stance of, for example, the GOA, you will get exactly nowhere. All that organization has ever done is take credit for the legislative and legal accomplishments of others like the Second Amendment Foundation and the NRA.

Successful lobbying involves a combination of cajoling, threats and cleverness, like inserting the sunset provision in the 1994 Assault Gun Ban. Refuse to do things like that and we'd have ZERO gun rights. Demand EVERYTHING, stand on all you rights and all you'll do is ensure 100% defeat in votes by legislators who you have either insulted or have convinced that you are unreasonable monomaniacs who don't have widespread voter support.
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Re: Marion Hammer - hero or villain?

Post by George W » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:51 am

jjk308 wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:43 am
George W wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:39 pm
I always saw her as a Fudd.
I have no idea who will replace her lobbying, but please don't let them be another Fudd willing to trade our rights for votes.
"Fudd"? You don't seem to understand anything about the political process.

If you adopt the absolutist stance of, for example, the GOA, you will get exactly nowhere. All that organization has ever done is take credit for the legislative and legal accomplishments of others like the Second Amendment Foundation and the NRA.

Successful lobbying involves a combination of cajoling, threats and cleverness, like inserting the sunset provision in the 1994 Assault Gun Ban. Refuse to do things like that and we'd have ZERO gun rights. Demand EVERYTHING, stand on all you rights and all you'll do is ensure 100% defeat in votes by legislators who you have either insulted or have convinced that you are unreasonable monomaniacs who don't have widespread voter support.
Spoken like a true Fudd.
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Re: Marion Hammer - hero or villain?

Post by P5 guy » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:59 pm

George W wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:51 am
jjk308 wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:43 am
George W wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:39 pm
I always saw her as a Fudd.
I have no idea who will replace her lobbying, but please don't let them be another Fudd willing to trade our rights for votes.
"Fudd"? You don't seem to understand anything about the political process.

If you adopt the absolutist stance of, for example, the GOA, you will get exactly nowhere. All that organization has ever done is take credit for the legislative and legal accomplishments of others like the Second Amendment Foundation and the NRA.

Successful lobbying involves a combination of cajoling, threats and cleverness, like inserting the sunset provision in the 1994 Assault Gun Ban. Refuse to do things like that and we'd have ZERO gun rights. Demand EVERYTHING, stand on all you rights and all you'll do is ensure 100% defeat in votes by legislators who you have either insulted or have convinced that you are unreasonable monomaniacs who don't have widespread voter support.
Spoken like a true Fudd.

Too many one way compromises [smilie=pdt_xtremez_24.gif] True Fudd.
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Re: Marion Hammer - hero or villain?

Post by George W » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:07 pm

jjk308 wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:43 am
George W wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:39 pm
I always saw her as a Fudd.
I have no idea who will replace her lobbying, but please don't let them be another Fudd willing to trade our rights for votes.
"Fudd"? You don't seem to understand anything about the political process.

If you adopt the absolutist stance of, for example, the GOA, you will get exactly nowhere. All that organization has ever done is take credit for the legislative and legal accomplishments of others like the Second Amendment Foundation and the NRA.

Successful lobbying involves a combination of cajoling, threats and cleverness, like inserting the sunset provision in the 1994 Assault Gun Ban. Refuse to do things like that and we'd have ZERO gun rights. Demand EVERYTHING, stand on all you rights and all you'll do is ensure 100% defeat in votes by legislators who you have either insulted or have convinced that you are unreasonable monomaniacs who don't have widespread voter support.
I do understand the political process, especially when it comes to the restriction of rights. We are expected to give up certain rights in exchange for crumbs.

JJK, you are exactly what is wrong not just with our rights, but our country. You see this from a zero sum stance, and a political game rather than for what it is, a civil rights issue.
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Re: Marion Hammer - hero or villain?

Post by jjk308 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:37 am

Stop wallowing in ignorance and read up on the Civil Rights movement. They used the strategy of incrementalism and the NRA copied it from them.

Absolutism gets you nowhere. Two steps forward at the expense of one step back eventually gets you to your goal. Take a look at the legislative history of the US Congress and the FL legislature and you'll see that every single "All our gun rights NOW" proposal has been rejected while incremental advances are accepted.
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Re: Marion Hammer - hero or villain?

Post by George W » Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:45 am

So you're okay with trading away sone rights to get privileges you want..... got it. I have been a member here for many years. Through them, I have watched you spew this and line of s';t. You're a statist and a dinosaur.
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I AM THE GUN LOBBY AND I VOTE!

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Re: Marion Hammer - hero or villain?

Post by jjk308 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:25 am

George W wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:45 am
So you're okay with trading away sone rights to get privileges you want..... got it. I have been a member here for many years. Through them, I have watched you spew this and line of s';t. You're a statist and a dinosaur.
And you would find out that, if your foolish ideas were ever put into effect, that some day a SWAT team would break in your door and confiscate all your firearms.
The only way to protect our rights and to incorporate all of them into the laws and Constitution is through the political process.
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Re: Marion Hammer - hero or villain?

Post by g.willikers » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:06 am

The political process, even with occasional disappointments, leaves less rubble and destruction than any other forms of conflict resolution.
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Re: Marion Hammer - hero or villain?

Post by jjk308 » Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:26 am

And it's working for us right now. So much for the wailing and moaning of the "All is Lost" absolutists. Our premier Socialist newspaper is in a rage.

Tampa Bay Times online http://www.tampabay.com/florida-politic ... 7496d25e2e

Reality settles over Washington with little movement on gun legislation
....reality has settled over Washington. Both parties are retreating to familiar sides of the contentious gun debate and Republican leaders are not rushing to put legislation up for a vote. The Senate next week will focus on moving a banking bill.

Editorial: Florida Legislature tone deaf on guns
....the only gun control left in the legislation would be a ban on bump stocks that enable semiautomatic rifles to fire faster. The main components would be mental health reforms that don’t go far enough, money to harden schools and hire more armed school resource officers, and a plan to train and arm teachers that would make schools more dangerous.
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Re: Marion Hammer - hero or villain?

Post by tector » Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:38 am

Everyone understands what can and can't happen on the currently elected chessboard. It is after 2018 and, especially, 2020 that we have concerns.

There will undoubtedly be more mass shootings of children then, too. So what is happening now is just foundational.

Go back to your comfortable senility and leave us alone.
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