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Rick Scott endorses 21 year age minimum, banning bump stocks

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:58 pm
by tector

Re: Rick Scott endorses 21 year age minimum, banning bump stocks

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:36 pm
by Cloaked Dagger
I have mixed feelings about the 21 age thing. The way most kids today are raised they probably shouldn’t get a gun until 21, but then they shouldn’t be voting either. What about the age to join the military or drive, should those also be raised to 21? So the issue is really kids today need more discipline and to be raised better.

Most of the ones who would be buying a gun this probably doesn’t apply to though. Except obviously the psycho that did that school shooting.

Re: Rick Scott endorses 21 year age minimum, banning bump stocks

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:38 pm
by Gregh181
I joined the Marines when I was 17 in 2003. Times are so much different now

Re: Rick Scott endorses 21 year age minimum, banning bump stocks

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:23 pm
by Jonathanw
Cloaked Dagger wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:36 pm
I have mixed feelings about the 21 age thing. The way most kids today are raised they probably shouldn’t get a gun until 21, but then they shouldn’t be voting either. What about the age to join the military or drive, should those also be raised to 21? So the issue is really kids today need more discipline and to be raised better.

Most of the ones who would be buying a gun this probably doesn’t apply to though. Except obviously the psycho that did that school shooting.
I joined this Forum at around 18 years old, owned WASR AK at that point, never had any issues with owning them responsibly. Now I am 22 and still oppose raising the age limit

Re: Rick Scott endorses 21 year age minimum, banning bump stocks

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:03 pm
by Cloaked Dagger
Jonathanw wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:23 pm
Cloaked Dagger wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:36 pm
I have mixed feelings about the 21 age thing. The way most kids today are raised they probably shouldn’t get a gun until 21, but then they shouldn’t be voting either. What about the age to join the military or drive, should those also be raised to 21? So the issue is really kids today need more discipline and to be raised better.

Most of the ones who would be buying a gun this probably doesn’t apply to though. Except obviously the psycho that did that school shooting.
I joined this Forum at around 18 years old, owned WASR AK at that point, never had any issues with owning them responsibly. Now I am 22 and still oppose raising the age limit
I bought my first gun around 18-19 also. I’m 31 now. I generally oppose raising the age limit but realizing that it’s arbitrary and won’t fit every individual I’m not completely against it. If we do raise the firearm ownership age limit we should also raise the voting age because if you cannot be trusted to own a firearm you certainly can’t be trusted to vote. This would also deprive the democrats of all those uniformed voters who just vote based on what their liberal arts and transgender studies professors say.

Re: Rick Scott endorses 21 year age minimum, banning bump stocks

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:08 pm
by Dave M
Cloaked Dagger wrote:
Jonathanw wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:23 pm
Cloaked Dagger wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:36 pm
I have mixed feelings about the 21 age thing. The way most kids today are raised they probably shouldn’t get a gun until 21, but then they shouldn’t be voting either. What about the age to join the military or drive, should those also be raised to 21? So the issue is really kids today need more discipline and to be raised better.

Most of the ones who would be buying a gun this probably doesn’t apply to though. Except obviously the psycho that did that school shooting.
I joined this Forum at around 18 years old, owned WASR AK at that point, never had any issues with owning them responsibly. Now I am 22 and still oppose raising the age limit
I bought my first gun around 18-19 also. I’m 31 now. I generally oppose raising the age limit but realizing that it’s arbitrary and won’t fit every individual I’m not completely against it. If we do raise the firearm ownership age limit we should also raise the voting age because if you cannot be trusted to own a firearm you certainly can’t be trusted to vote. This would also deprive the democrats of all those uniformed voters who just vote based on what their liberal arts and transgender studies professors say.
I agree

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Re: Rick Scott endorses 21 year age minimum, banning bump stocks

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:45 pm
by avmech
I am 62. Been around guns my whole life. I oppose raising the age to 21.

Re: Rick Scott endorses 21 year age minimum, banning bump stocks

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:16 am
by P5 guy
Very few children in my neighborhood (no it isn't an official over 55) the couple of teen boys are not folks I would want anywhere near a weapon.
How can a gun shop clerk tell if any person is a responsible enough adult to own a firearm?
From the reports I have seen filtered thru my BS screen this child was on the DCF radar, the local police and reported to the FBI as no one that should have a firearm. Yet he did and now all us law abiding folks will be made to pay.

Re: Rick Scott endorses 21 year age minimum, banning bump stocks

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:16 am
by jjk308
I'm against raising the age limit. The other arguments aside it won't do a damn bit of good. It's just another gun control measure that's failed, and nothing but a nuisance and a waste.

Bump stocks? A toy - banning them is useless but so is owning one.

Re: Rick Scott endorses 21 year age minimum, banning bump stocks

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:42 pm
by dammitgriff
Can’t pick and choose when adulthood is officially recognized.
If you can legally sign a contract to join the U.S. armed forces at 18, then it stands to reason you’re lawfully old enough to purchase and drink alcohol and purchase and own firearms.
Either raise the minimum enlistment age to 21 or lower the drinking age to 18.
These friggin’ politicians want to have it both ways, as usual.
—Griff

Re: Rick Scott endorses 21 year age minimum, banning bump stocks

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:42 pm
by TC6969
jjk308 wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:16 am

Bump stocks? A toy - banning them is useless
Especially since someone with minimal woodworking skills can make a bump stock with a piece of plywood and a dowel rod.

Re: Rick Scott endorses 21 year age minimum, banning bump stocks

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:52 am
by jjk308
TC6969 wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:42 pm
jjk308 wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:16 am

Bump stocks? A toy - banning them is useless
Especially since someone with minimal woodworking skills can make a bump stock with a piece of plywood and a dowel rod.
Or nothing. A friend had an Uzi pistol that would bump fire if you held it loosely and kept the trigger finger stiff. [smilie=011.gif]

Re: Rick Scott endorses 21 year age minimum, banning bump stocks

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:19 am
by flcracker
As I read it, this law still allows an 18-21 year old to buy a hunting-style rifle or shotgun, providing that the 18-21 yo has passed the hunter safety education course.

There are plenty of hunting-style MSRs on the market based on AR/AK-platform receivers.

:-k

IMHO, this could easily be viewed by the courts as a "reasonable restriction", per Heller - similar to CWP laws.

Re: Rick Scott endorses 21 year age minimum, banning bump stocks

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:19 am
by Rentprop1
flcracker wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:19 am
As I read it, this law still allows an 18-21 year old to buy a hunting-style rifle or shotgun, providing that the 18-21 yo has passed the hunter safety education course.
and posses a valid hunting license, but I didn't read hunting style, nor did I see any definitions or styles of rifles outlined anywhere yet

Re: Rick Scott endorses 21 year age minimum, banning bump stocks

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:31 pm
by flcracker
Rentprop1 wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:19 am
flcracker wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:19 am
As I read it, this law still allows an 18-21 year old to buy a hunting-style rifle or shotgun, providing that the 18-21 yo has passed the hunter safety education course.
and posses a valid hunting license, but I didn't read hunting style, nor did I see any definitions or styles of rifles outlined anywhere yet
You're correct about the hunting license being one of the requirements. The style of firearm may have been in an earlier version that I read.

Re: Rick Scott endorses 21 year age minimum, banning bump stocks

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:59 pm
by Odessaman
Governor Scott:

At 18, I was a US citizen, had no felony record, and could not otherwise be deemed a "prohibited person" with respect to acquisition and possession of firearms.

At 18, I was registered with Selective Service and could have been called upon by the government to carry an actual "assault rifle" and give up my life for the interests of this country.

At 18, I could enter into contracts, and those agreements could be enforced against me if I breached them.

At 18, I was living independently, working a full time job and paying taxes to the government to squander as they saw fit.

At 18, I was married, had a baby and a wife whose safety and well being were my responsibility - a responsibility which I would never entrust to the government. (A selfish quirk which has been justified by recent events and countless others before them.)

At 18, my family and I lived in an apartment in a sketchy part of town, because that's all I could afford on an 18 year-old's income.

Tell me again how the Second Amendment just doesn't apply to any 18, 19 or 20 year old in those same circumstances?

Rick Scott endorses 21 year age minimum, banning bump stocks

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:42 am
by dammitgriff
You’re on the right track there, Odessaman—
The right to self defense is an inherent human right and therefore predates government itself...which means it is absolutely ludicrous to have to “ask permission” from our government to defend our lives and property with whatever we choose as an adequate means.
The government is WAY out of line here.
R/Griff

Re: Rick Scott endorses 21 year age minimum, banning bump stocks

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:56 am
by jjk308
dammitgriff wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:42 am
You’re on the right track there, Odessaman—
The right to self defense is an inherent human right and therefore predates government itself...which means it is absolutely ludicrous to have to “ask permission” from our government to defend our lives and property with whatever we choose as an adequate means.
The government is WAY out of line here.
R/Griff
Unless you successfully defend those "inherent rights" via the courts and the political system you can lose them. Ask the Russians or the Venezuelans or the citizens of a hundred other countries how firm "inherent rights" are.

Re: Rick Scott endorses 21 year age minimum, banning bump stocks

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:41 pm
by flcracker
flcracker wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:31 pm
Rentprop1 wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:19 am
flcracker wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:19 am
As I read it, this law still allows an 18-21 year old to buy a hunting-style rifle or shotgun, providing that the 18-21 yo has passed the hunter safety education course.
and posses a valid hunting license, but I didn't read hunting style, nor did I see any definitions or styles of rifles outlined anywhere yet
You're correct about the hunting license being one of the requirements. The style of firearm may have been in an earlier version that I read.
I went back and re-read it, and I think that we were both wrong. It looks like there is no exception for sale to 18-21 year olds - the hunter safety course and hunting license are an exemption to the mandatory 3-day waiting period.

Section 11. Present subsection (13) of section 790.065,
675 Florida Statutes, is redesignated as subsection (14), and a new
676 subsection (13) is added to that section, to read:
677 790.065 Sale and delivery of firearms.—
678 (13) A person younger than 21 years of age may not purchase
679 a firearm. The sale or transfer of a firearm to a person younger
680 than 21 years of age may not be made or facilitated by a
681 licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer. A
682 person who violates this subsection commits a felony of the
683 third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083,
684 or s. 775.084. The prohibitions of this subsection do not apply
685 to the purchase of a rifle or shotgun by a law enforcement
686 officer or correctional officer, as those terms are defined in
687 s. 943.10(1), (2), (3), (6), (7), (8), or (9), or a
688 servicemember as defined in s. 250.01.
689 Section 12. Section 790.0655, Florida Statutes, is amended
690 to read:
691 790.0655 Purchase and delivery of firearms handguns;
692 mandatory waiting period; exceptions; penalties.—
693 (1)(a) There shall be A mandatory 3-day waiting period is
694 imposed between the purchase and delivery of a firearm. The
695 mandatory waiting period is, which shall be 3 days, excluding
696 weekends and legal holidays, or expires upon the completion of
697 the records checks required under s. 790.065, whichever occurs
698 later between the purchase and the delivery at retail of any
699 handgun. “Purchase” means the transfer of money or other
700 valuable consideration to the retailer. “Handgun” means a
701 firearm capable of being carried and used by one hand, such as a
702 pistol or revolver. “Retailer” means and includes a licensed
703 importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer every person
704 engaged in the business of making firearm sales at retail or for
705 distribution, or use, or consumption, or storage to be used or
706 consumed in this state, as defined in s. 212.02(13).
707 (b) Records of firearm handgun sales must be available for
708 inspection by any law enforcement agency, as defined in s.
709 934.02, during normal business hours.
710 (2) The 3-day waiting period does shall not apply in the
711 following circumstances:
712 (a) When a firearm handgun is being purchased by a holder
713 of a concealed weapons permit as defined in s. 790.06.
714 (b) To a trade-in of another firearm handgun.
715 (c) To the purchase of a rifle or shotgun, upon a person’s
716 successfully completing a minimum of a 16-hour hunter safety
717 course and possessing a hunter safety certification card issued
718 under s. 379.3581. A person who is exempt from the hunter safety
719 course requirements under s. 379.3581 and holds a valid Florida
720 hunting license, is exempt from the mandatory waiting period
721 under this section for the purchase of a rifle or shotgun.

Rick Scott endorses 21 year age minimum, banning bump stocks

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:21 pm
by dammitgriff
jjk308 wrote:
dammitgriff wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:42 am
You’re on the right track there, Odessaman—
The right to self defense is an inherent human right and therefore predates government itself...which means it is absolutely ludicrous to have to “ask permission” from our government to defend our lives and property with whatever we choose as an adequate means.
The government is WAY out of line here.
R/Griff
Unless you successfully defend those "inherent rights" via the courts and the political system you can lose them. Ask the Russians or the Venezuelans or the citizens of a hundred other countries how firm "inherent rights" are.
You’re supposed to defend them with your guns, which the government understandably doesn’t want you to have.
That’s exactly why we have the 2A, to point those guns in the government’s direction whenever they get too big for their britches.
The courts, including the Supreme Court, and political system are not the friend of life or liberty in the United States.
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R/Griff