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Re: Von Mises Institute reply to gun control

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:47 pm
by Cardboard_killer
g.willikers wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:02 pm
Either we are responsible for our actions or we demand that others are.
We are only our Brothers' Keepers if we choose to be.
Otherwise we are slaves.
It isn't an all or nothing scale. We are all dependent on others to some degree or another. E.g. the army protects us from invasion and murder. Does relying upon our servicemen to keep isis from killing my family make us slaves? That is, or course, the most extreme example, but also perhaps the best a non-soldier can give.

Re: Von Mises Institute reply to gun control

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:08 pm
by g.willikers
Neither the police or military is obliged to save you or your family from anyone.
That's your job.
Any help from those quarters will be mostly incidental to their normal and well defined duties.
If you are not prepared, expecting anything else will be disappointing.

Re: Von Mises Institute reply to gun control

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:41 pm
by Cardboard_killer
You may not think they are protecting you and your tough guy stance and you glock is keeping isis at bay, but that's a delusion.

Re: Von Mises Institute reply to gun control

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:46 pm
by g.willikers
If there's delusion it is expecting others to value you as much as themselves.
It's just human nature.
We are not generally as self sacrificing as some imagine.
Here's hoping you don't have to discover it the hard way.
Toughness has little to do with it.
It always helps, but it's preparation that counts far more.
Are you prepared?

Re: Von Mises Institute reply to gun control

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:17 pm
by n0rlf
It is not the tool! It is the person. No need for guns to kill. Hell, just this morning my neighbor bagged a 6 point big buck crossing the road in front of my house.

She did not have a gun but still killed!

Yeah I know, bad argument but funny none the less. Not so funny is her car. That is one messed up little Nissan. She hit it at a pretty good rate. I dragged it out of the road after making sure she was OK. Got her car into our driveway out of the road and called her dad. Hung the deer in the tree! He is being processed by my sons in the kitchen as I type.

So all in all it was a good day. And after all that I still say get rid of career politicians that have proven over and over they will never get anything done and we might see some progress.

Von Mises Institute reply to gun control

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:14 pm
by dammitgriff
g.willikers wrote:What people choose to do to themselves should never be a concern of government.
Nor should attempts of regulating morals.
Both are the result of great arrogance.
Only dealing with well defined crime, with actual or intended victims, is within the jurisdiction of government in a free society.
Better minds than mine discovered these simple truths long ago.
Too bad we haven't been listening.
Couldn’t agree more.
It is not the proper role of government to legislate morality. Even if it were acceptible, it would fall under state and local control.
Our republic has fallen to the influence of tyranny of the minority, and we are witnessing further degradation of liberty as our society and all the smaller special interest factions break up and form their own squealing mobs and demand concessions from what’s left of the working middle class of America via legislative interventionism.
I don’t know about the rest of y’all, but I’ve almost reached peak b.s. tolerance levels. I just want to be left alone and to keep every dollar I earn to support myself and my family—and no one else, under coercive pressure from government.
R/Griff

Re: Von Mises Institute reply to gun control

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:21 pm
by dammitgriff
Cardboard_killer wrote:You may not think they are protecting you and your tough guy stance and you glock is keeping isis at bay, but that's a delusion.
300 million firearms in the hands of millions of private citizens keep ISIS — and our own government — at bay.
Government has become a national disease, and the Second Amendment was written specifically to be the cure.
All that’s needed is a spine much stiffer than than the cowards’ hiding behind their cars as children got slaughtered in Palmdale.
R/Griff