Congressional GOP--what a disaster

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Re: Congressional GOP--what a disaster

Post by jjk308 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:19 am

Rand Paul has some good ideas, below, but he doesn't seem to realize that the primary sticking point is expanded Medicaid that has quadrupled under Obamacare. This entitlement is impossible to get rid of in the short term because of massive support from the states. Those taxes he complains about in the Senate bill are to support Medicaid.

The Marketplaces he seems to concentrate on are the weakest parts of Obamacare and doomed in almost all states. They now have only 40% of the customers the CBO originally estimated, far fewer than can support the sort of high cost policies Obamacare and the big insurance companies want. But two relatively minor changes would destroy the marketplaces, repeal the mandates and allow interstate sales of much cheaper state regulated health policies.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rand-paul-h ... -a-repeal/

......But when asked Sunday about his Republican colleagues' amendment to the bill, Paul said that "they're trying to do what's right."

"They're trying to make it legal to sell other insurance policies that don't have the regs," he said about the amendment crafted by Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, and Mike Lee, R-Utah. "But the problem is it's being done in the context of keeping all of the overall regulatory scheme of Obamacare. So you still have the death spiral, even with their amendment."

Paul noted that while the Cruz-Lee amendment would give Americans "more freedoms" and that he's "for their amendment," he still finds that no plan truly fixes "the problem."......

.....Paul said on Sunday suggested on Sunday letting "everyone in the individual market join a group plan."

"I'd let group plans be formed by anybody that wants to form them. Chamber of Commerce, a farm bureau, credit unions, you name it. I'd let anybody form an association. And what would happen is almost everybody would flee the individual market because it's a terrible place," he said......


Like a lot of you Paul thinks of this in simplistic terms that ignores the politics and the demands of the states. In his mind the solution is full repeal, but in the real world he doesn't have 5% of the votes needed to do that. So by refusing to compromise he's really helped force an Obamacare repair on the Senate that'll keep a lot more of it than the McConnell bills.
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Post by firemedic2000 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:48 am

czharry wrote:On a news commentary they said that Schumer runs his people like well oiled machine. He and Pelosi tells them what to do and what not to do and how to vote on certain things, and they are all in 'lockstep'.

The GOP, it seems, are akin to a bunch of 1st graders that are let out at recess to play.
With this health care thing, the GOP are "It's too restrictive", "It's not restrictive enough", "What about medicaid?", whaa whaa whaa.
Whereas, if schumer told the dems to all vote for the new Trump-care, they would do it. As it is, he told them that no one is to vote for it, and they are not.

I agree but I also think we are seeing GOP leaders who are really Democrats that ran on the GOP ticket. Just like those GOP leaders in What, Dade County are voting everything anti gun now because they are wanting to run in county politics. If that's what I remember that woman and her cohort doing that was on a committee down there.

I really believe after seeing those last elections this past few months. Come midterm elections. That the American people are sick and tired of this Russia crap. They are tired of those not working with the POTUS also, but instead fighting against him at every turn.

I believe there will be a shake up in the GOP. That there will be new PRO TRUMP GOP canidates that want the samething that our POTUS wants and will run against these career political chumps and they will win.

The President will back these new canidates too. Watch and bring the wrath of GOD upon those that have caused him nothing but trouble. The POTUS will attack these rouge GOP leaders with a vengeance.

These GOP leaders in there now are listening to the same bogus polls. Taken by the same fools and bigots that predicted that Hillary would lay waste to President Trump. Those polls were wrong then. Just like they are wrong now. Nothing has changed, nothing. You can get a poll to show whatever result you want.

Want President Trump to have low approval ratings no problem. Want people to be happy with Obama care no problem. This is exactly what is happening and they are buying into it.

You can't help but wonder sometimes if these GOP canidates that act like Democrats were put there by the Democrats to cause this kind of turmoil in the GOP. It' is always the same GOP leaders that cause problems and fight against every GOP President.

You mark my words and watch. People are sick of the Democrats and their lies and theses rouge GOP leaders that act like they are really Democrats blocking the POTUS at every turn.
If you can see it. Millions and millions of other Americans can see it to.
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Post by firemedic2000 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:03 am

Oh and one more thing. As much as some of his tweets are funny, dumb and sometimes stupid.

If it were not for tweeter and social media the POTUS would not have a voice at all.
Do any of you honestly believe the media would correctly quote or say anything positive about the President.

Tell us what he's accomplished. No they would not.

So bad, good, funny or stupid social media has killed the press/media's attempt to demonize the President and it's killing them.

The press is use to attacking people and not being attacked back. I myself applaud the President for attacking back. It shows he has a pair and it's about time we had a President that did. You get attacked by a bully you fight back. The press has destryed peoples lives.

The press thinks that they should be the only ones allowed to use social media to express ideas.
That includes you as well as the President.
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Re: Congressional GOP--what a disaster

Post by tector » Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:21 pm

The straight Obamacare repeal has now also collapsed--and not because of Rand Paul, jjk's ever-ready excuse for everything:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/us/p ... later.html
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Re: Congressional GOP--what a disaster

Post by fish » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:47 pm

Is it just the egos that prevent the GOP from simply repairing the flaws in the existing law?

“Obamacare was their bill, we need our bill”

Or is the existing law too broken to fix?
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Re: Congressional GOP--what a disaster

Post by firemedic2000 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:38 pm

We actually had a bill that both the house and senate passed and sent to Obama and he of coarse would not sign it. They still have that bill. It came up in discussion. Why not send that bill to Trump to be signed.

What's changed between now and then. Why would it be good then and not now. They have a President now that will pass a bill that both houses agreed upon. What's the problem with that bill.

This article is dated Jan 2016 when Congress passed and sent Obama a bill on health care. Use that bill now to repeal Obama care. They already passed it once. What's changed...I'll tell what's changed.

There are GOP leaders working with the Democrats against President Trump. Their true colors are coming out as to who they are and what party they work with. They went along with it the first time because they knew Obama would not pass it.

Now that there is a GOP President in office they are voting working against the GOP not with them. They are DEMOCRATS posing as GOP leader. The democrats are smart. They infiltrate the GOP ranks

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/con ... nt-n491316
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Post by madman » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:25 am

You have two parties at the the trough getting fat and happy and some no politician, businessman stumbles into the presidency and they(all of them, including Federal employee's) are scared shitless that their gravy train will be taking away. The system is gifting itself with our money.
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The founder's knew a two party system would huddle up and steal from the people. What we have here is a version of the WWF.
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