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Re: A new definition for Hobson's Choice . . .

Post by Cardboard_killer » Thu Aug 25, 2016 4:46 am

Trump's currently changing his stance on illegal immigrants in the country--he doesn't want to break up families. How long before he "softens" his stance on gun ownership? I cannot believe this guy is being touted as different from the normal politician. Trump would sell out ever one of our rights for a little more.
“From what I have seen, he is now the pro-amnesty candidate,” said Rick Tyler, a former campaign communications director for Cruz. “If Trump is insistent on reversing himself on amnesty, then he will have fooled his entire base. He would have fooled enough people who voted for him to make him the Republican nominee. It’s deceitful; it was a betrayal."
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Re: A new definition for Hobson's Choice . . .

Post by jjk308 » Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:07 am

Cardboard_killer wrote:Trump's currently changing his stance on illegal immigrants in the country--he doesn't want to break up families. How long before he "softens" his stance on gun ownership? I cannot believe this guy is being touted as different from the normal politician. Trump would sell out ever one of our rights for a little more.
“From what I have seen, he is now the pro-amnesty candidate,” said Rick Tyler, a former campaign communications director for Cruz. “If Trump is insistent on reversing himself on amnesty, then he will have fooled his entire base. He would have fooled enough people who voted for him to make him the Republican nominee. It’s deceitful; it was a betrayal."
You really think he or anyone else in elective office would deport 11,000,000 people? Not gonna happen no matter how much you want to believe it.

But make it tough and expensive to work in the USA via an enhanced and strictly enforced e Verify and maybe payments for work permits for those who would like to stay and you'll find most of them will go back home, pronto. That would be feasible, a mass deportation never, no matter if you rant, rave and hold your breath until you turn blue.

And if politicians think they have to carry out every single stupid promise they make while campaigning you end up with idiocy like Obama releasing a bunch of vicious terrorists because he promised to close Guantanamo.
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Re: A new definition for Hobson's Choice . . .

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Cardboard_killer wrote:Trump's currently changing his stance on illegal immigrants in the country--he doesn't want to break up families. How long before he "softens" his stance on gun ownership? I cannot believe this guy is being touted as different from the normal politician. Trump would sell out ever one of our rights for a little more.
“From what I have seen, he is now the pro-amnesty candidate,” said Rick Tyler, a former campaign communications director for Cruz. “If Trump is insistent on reversing himself on amnesty, then he will have fooled his entire base. He would have fooled enough people who voted for him to make him the Republican nominee. It’s deceitful; it was a betrayal."
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Re: A new definition for Hobson's Choice . . .

Post by tector » Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:13 pm

We are going to get slaughtered in November.
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Re: A new definition for Hobson's Choice . . .

Post by Cardboard_killer » Thu Aug 25, 2016 6:03 pm

jjk308 wrote:You really think he or anyone else in elective office would deport 11,000,000 people?
No, I don't think that (nor do I think we should if we could), nor do I think Trump could "build a wall", but he won the nomination by promising to do that, just like he won a lot of voters here because he's "pro-2nd amendment". But as I've said from day one, the guy has no integrity, and would break every promise he's made for any profit. He's a disaster for the republican party. I'd say he was a disaster for conservatives, too, but he isn't one.

BTW, if he cannot deport 11 million people (actually it's more than that as he said he was going to deport US citizens born to illegals, too), why has he systematically destroyed the republican brand among the fastest growing minority group by doing so? I'd say he was a secret democrat if I weren't already wearing my tinfoil hat.
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Re: A new definition for Hobson's Choice . . .

Post by REDinFL » Thu Aug 25, 2016 7:00 pm

Cardboard_killer wrote:
jjk308 wrote:You really think he or anyone else in elective office would deport 11,000,000 people?
No, I don't think that (nor do I think we should if we could), nor do I think Trump could "build a wall", but he won the nomination by promising to do that, just like he won a lot of voters here because he's "pro-2nd amendment". But as I've said from day one, the guy has no integrity, and would break every promise he's made for any profit. He's a disaster for the republican party. I'd say he was a disaster for conservatives, too, but he isn't one.

BTW, if he cannot deport 11 million people (actually it's more than that as he said he was going to deport US citizens born to illegals, too), why has he systematically destroyed the republican brand among the fastest growing minority group by doing so? I'd say he was a secret democrat if I weren't already wearing my tinfoil hat.
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Re: A new definition for Hobson's Choice . . .

Post by Orlando Paulitician » Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:15 pm

molivo wrote:
barkingspiders wrote:An option not expressed so far. Choosing not to choose is still a choice. Let the hate begin. [smilie=popcorn.gif]
Chosing not to chose is being a coward, and a traitor to your country at this point. There is far too much at stake this go around to take that childish stance.
So peacefully abstaining from a corrupt and broken political process that seems to do more harm than good is "traitorous" and "childish".....

Funny, how not choosing to use political means to violently enforce your opinions on others is treason, but choosing to do so is patriotism.

Let's face it. The Republican party, and the political system to a lesser extent, is dead. There are various stages of grief. Some of us are in 'acceptance'.

You appear to be between 'anger' and 'bargaining'.
Nathan Lewis' testimony before congress wrote: According to a study of 775 floating currencies...the average life expectancy of a floating fiat currency was found to be 27 years.
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Re: A new definition for Hobson's Choice . . .

Post by pharmer » Sun Aug 28, 2016 9:37 am

I'm voting for the more conservative Supreme Court nominees. Joe
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Re: A new definition for Hobson's Choice . . .

Post by firemedic2000 » Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:53 pm

Orlando Paulitician wrote:
molivo wrote:
barkingspiders wrote:An option not expressed so far. Choosing not to choose is still a choice. Let the hate begin. [smilie=popcorn.gif]
Chosing not to chose is being a coward, and a traitor to your country at this point. There is far too much at stake this go around to take that childish stance.
So peacefully abstaining from a corrupt and broken political process that seems to do more harm than good is "traitorous" and "childish".....

Funny, how not choosing to use political means to violently enforce your opinions on others is treason, but choosing to do so is patriotism.

Let's face it. The Republican party, and the political system to a lesser extent, is dead. There are various stages of grief. Some of us are in 'acceptance'.

You appear to be between 'anger' and 'bargaining'.

You've said absolutely nothing except attempt to use some words to attempt and I use that word very losely to make yourself look intelligent in what your saying. Also I've noticed you like to try and twist what people say to mean something totally different than what they meant. You picked a really good screen name for your self. Twisting words even in that name.

Though calling yourself a politician I can't figure out why anyone would use that word in their screen considering how the majority of Americans do not trust, like and find most politicians obnoxious in their comments towards people. I could go on but I can guarantee that you will have outlandish response to this [smilie=011.gif]

Not voting is not being a traitor that's some what extreme. So you said the Republican party is dead, what about the Democratic party are they dead or in your infinite wisdom =:wvr is the entire political process dead or just broken.

But from your own words in your post you sound more like a Democratic supporter than anything. If that is so your party is not friends of the 2nd A. Either that or the political process is dead and not worth fighting for anymore.

What you do not understand it's people that think like you that cripple the political system. People like you that go around preaching to others why vote the system, party the Republicans are dead a lost cause. It's people like that are the problem that are dead.

People like you that preach your garbage prevent change from taking place. You say there's no one worthy to vote for. You pick the most worthy of the two right now until we can get someone better.

Hillary is not that person. She is a criminal elitist with absolutely no respect of our our laws or the American people or the goverment.

Careful on how you respond to that one. It will tell just who you really are and stand in your beliefs.

Not voting Republican with at what's at stake President aside, they come and go. It's the Supreme Court seats that are at stake. You have a choice here. The ones that Hillary will put in or the ones that Trump will put in.

We all know what will happen to the interpretation of the Constitution and Bill of Rights if Hillary's picks get in. After all in her own words she said that all of the admendments are open to regulation.

The Republican party and the political process is not dead. You are and people like you that go around trying to convince others to think just like you are the problem.
I just keep noticing you posted the Republicans are dead yet you made no mention of Democrats what is your opinion on them as compared to the Republicans.
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Re: A new definition for Hobson's Choice . . .

Post by Orlando Paulitician » Sun Aug 28, 2016 2:54 pm


Your claims are:
1. I'm twisting words into what people are not trying to convey?
2. You say that not voting is not being a traitor, ok we agree, but going back to your original point, you seem to be saying that I'm making up the claim that someone said just that....? (if I'm wrong on this point feel free to correct me)

So tell me, how and what part of this statement did I distort?
Chosing not to chose is being a coward, and a traitor to your country at this point. There is far too much at stake this go around to take that childish stance.
I'm not even going to acknowledge your other comments at the moment because at least they're based on a matter of opinion: to degrees, we could both be right. But the claim I'm seeking clarification on above, is based on clear-cut facts. Either I distorted what someone said or I didn't.
So you're not contesting ANY of these points?

Because I quoted someone verbatim and in entirety without altering anything they said, and YOU SAID that I was twisting words...

You throw out claims and then refuse to even acknowledge the claims you made...
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Nathan Lewis' testimony before congress wrote: According to a study of 775 floating currencies...the average life expectancy of a floating fiat currency was found to be 27 years.
Ron Paul's Farewell Address wrote:Real patriotism is the willingness to challenge the government when it's wrong,

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Re: A new definition for Hobson's Choice . . .

Post by Orlando Paulitician » Sun Aug 28, 2016 3:29 pm

But from your own words in your post you sound more like a Democratic supporter than anything
Because I support liberty?

What have I specifically said that makes me sound like a Democrat?

OTHER than criticizing the party I'm registered to that shovels crap down my throat.
What you do not understand it's people that think like you that cripple the political system. People like you that go around preaching to others why vote the system, party the Republicans are dead a lost cause. It's people like that are the problem that are dead.
Public choice economics my friend.

People like me are not the reason why the Republican party is crippled. NO ONE LISTENS to people like me. The national party is determined by vested interests, and its presidential candidate is determined by the average party voter.

The average party voter is NOT libertarian in ideology. (fact)
The national party is NOT RUN by philosophical libertarians. (fact)

Gonna have to come up with some stronger arguments than that man.
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The day when the 3% of Republicans who are philosophical libertarians have an impact on Republican party politics will come just after the second coming of Christ.
Hillary is not that person. She is a criminal elitist with absolutely no respect of our our laws or the American people or the goverment.
Good to learn, I wasn't planning on voting for her....
We all know what will happen to the interpretation of the Constitution and Bill of Rights if Hillary's picks get in. After all in her own words she said that all of the admendments are open to regulation.
Agreed. Have you seen me claim otherwise? Have you ONCE seen me say a SINGLE positive thing about Hillary or her politics? =:wvr Saying the Republican party is feeding us s';t is NOT THE SAME as saying you support Hillary.

The whole forum went through this exact debate last election cycle.
you made no mention of Democrats what is your opinion on them as compared to the Republicans.
The democrats are big-government socialists.

You clearly haven't read all of my postings, or you'd have seen I'm a staunchly small-government, pro-free market supporter (which Trump isn't LOL)

I don't see what "the Republicans aren't serving the message of liberty anymore" has anything to do with supporting Democrats [smilie=011.gif]

You line of logic:
Me: Pepsi is bad for you because the amount of sugar in it spikes your insulin, increases your fat retention, and makes you more likely to suffer from obesity

You: You didn't mention coke! what's your opinion on that? you support drinking coke?!
Nathan Lewis' testimony before congress wrote: According to a study of 775 floating currencies...the average life expectancy of a floating fiat currency was found to be 27 years.
Ron Paul's Farewell Address wrote:Real patriotism is the willingness to challenge the government when it's wrong,

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Re: A new definition for Hobson's Choice . . .

Post by firemedic2000 » Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:28 pm

You really have not stated anything except trying to justify nothing.

As I stated it's not about the President in this election. Trump can be replaced. What can not be replaced through the election process are the Supreme Court Justices that a President picks.

By you and people like that call yourselfs Republicans and not voting Republican you are helping the Democrats. Period, it is plain and simply. You are in essence a silent vote for Hillary and who she elects to put on the Supreme Court. Long after Hillary and Trump are gone those the decisions that those Supreme Court Justices will effect America for decades.

That's what really is at stake here. If it were not for those seats. I could care less about the President. Congress and the House hold more power in the end.

But when you and people like talk the way you do and in the same breath you say, I'M REPUBLICAN no your not. Your everything but Republicans.

Now I'm quite aware that people like you also are to a point in your mind set that you are beyond ignorant in this matter. I mean this too. Because if your willing to sacrifice everything for a imaginary perfect candidate you will never vote again.

You will also attempt to give some kind of twisted explanation that will make sense only to you as to why this is a LOST CAUSE and YOU WILL NOT VOTE. Fine you've made your point. Your not voting and really I don't see that you have to explain anything else. You've made your point.

Republicans are a lost cause

Government is a lost cause

I will not vote for Trump

I don't care if Hillary wins

I don't care who get's appointed to the Supreme Court seats by me not voting my party

I do not care if we lose our gun rights or any other rights because of who Hillary appoints to the Supreme Court.

Really why am I even explaining this to a bunch of ignorant people that do not understand that this is a lost cause.

Are so nieve as to not realize that not voting for Trump and trying to convince others not to is supporting Hillary and her bid for the White House. Your telling me and everyone here. That you'd rather have Hillary as President. Please do not use I'm following my conscience. Anybody with a conscience could not possibly let someone like Hillary win knowing her history.


There that pretty much sums it up you have a great day preaching your gospel of doom and convincing people not to go to the polls this Nov. If your lucky and Hillary wins because of your efforts of getting people not to vote and therefore supporting Hillary you might get invited to a party for her. Great going for a so called Republican. Righttttt [smilie=popcorn.gif]

Your favorite is to address an off topic subject to try and throw the conversation in a different direction. Away from the man topic. Just like you will post something below to try and distract from what I just posted here. You'll post something that has nothing to do with what I just posted or choose the lest important thing in my post to address to draw attention away from how screwed up your way of thinking is.

I'm done talking to this negative don't exercise your rights individual. Unsubscribed from this post.
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Re: A new definition for Hobson's Choice . . .

Post by Orlando Paulitician » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:55 pm


Your claims are:
1. I'm twisting words into what people are not trying to convey?
2. You say that not voting is not being a traitor, ok we agree, but going back to your original point, you seem to be saying that I'm making up the claim that someone said just that....? (if I'm wrong on this point feel free to correct me)

So tell me, how and what part of this statement did I distort?
Chosing not to chose is being a coward, and a traitor to your country at this point. There is far too much at stake this go around to take that childish stance.
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So you're not contesting ANY of these points?

Because I quoted someone verbatim and in entirety without altering anything they said, and YOU SAID that I was twisting words...

You throw out claims and then refuse to even acknowledge the claims you made...

So, based on my interpretation of the progression of the discussion: after I point out someone else leveling an accusation of treason, you level an accusation against me as twisting their words, and then you refuse to even acknowledge or explain how I'm twisting their words...

I have to admit, I'm very confused here. From my stand point, your responses seem very conflicting and I'm obviously not understanding your point of view.

You don't believe it treason to not vote for Trump?
You are (aren't?) saying that I was twisting someone else's words who made exactly that claim?
Or you don't think they made that claim?

Because my understanding of the English language leads me to believe that very well made that, though, admittedly, context and inflection can be lost through the internet.
Nathan Lewis' testimony before congress wrote: According to a study of 775 floating currencies...the average life expectancy of a floating fiat currency was found to be 27 years.
Ron Paul's Farewell Address wrote:Real patriotism is the willingness to challenge the government when it's wrong,

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Re: A new definition for Hobson's Choice . . .

Post by firemedic2000 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:50 am

Missed one [smilie=popcorn.gif]
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