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Re: The Libertarian ticket this year...

Post by tector » Wed May 25, 2016 10:37 am

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jjk308 wrote:The Libertarians are traitors, NOT Patriots.
Go f/;k yourself.

The GOP you have been pimping here for years is a clusterfuck.

The sooner fossilized old fucks like you croak and get out of the way, the better.
What happened to "so a respectful discussion about principles v. strategic voting is more likely to defeat Hillary than some pissing contest"? [smilie=011.gif] [smilie=011.gif] [smilie=011.gif]
A senile fuckface still living in the age of Eisenhower decided to label me (and several others here) "traitors".

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Re: The Libertarian ticket this year...

Post by jjk308 » Thu May 26, 2016 3:19 am

You REALLY want a President Hillary, don't you? Anything to secure your position as chief croaking frog in the tiny, stagnant local Libertarian pond.
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Re: The Libertarian ticket this year...

Post by tector » Thu May 26, 2016 7:00 am

jjk308 wrote:You REALLY want a President Hillary, don't you? Anything to secure your position as chief croaking frog in the tiny, stagnant local Libertarian pond.
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Wow, totally f#;.,/g senile--have not paid attention to a single discussion we've had here, just listening to the voices in your rotting brain. Good job, gramps.
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Re: The Libertarian ticket this year...

Post by jjk308 » Sat May 28, 2016 8:20 am

" Is there not some chosen curse, some hidden thunder in the stores of heaven, red with uncommon wrath, to blast the man who owes his greatness to his country's ruin!"
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How about turning the Libertarian Party into a MMORG, "Game of Impossible Ideologies" or "World of 3rd party Political Craft"? At least then you wouldn't be traitors effectively working for the victory of the Hillary monster and the triumph of Socialism.
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Post by molivo » Sat May 28, 2016 9:35 am

jjk308 wrote:" Is there not some chosen curse, some hidden thunder in the stores of heaven, red with uncommon wrath, to blast the man who owes his greatness to his country's ruin!"
Joseph Addison Quotes

How about turning the Libertarian Party into a MMORG, "Game of Impossible Ideologies" or "World of 3rd party Political Craft"? At least then you wouldn't be traitors effectively working for the victory of the Hillary monster and the triumph of Socialism.
Do you have to work that hard at being a pompous insulting ass or does it come naturally? Either way congrats I have never seen anyone pull it off so well.
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Re: The Libertarian ticket this year...

Post by Orlando Paulitician » Sat May 28, 2016 10:18 pm

jjk308 wrote:The Libertarians are traitors, NOT Patriots.
^And this is what drives Libertarians to not vote Republican.

The guys who keep voting for the run-away train-wreck status-quo Republicans keep driving us out.

By God, if they don't get their neoconservative government to force down all our throats, they'll throw away the fate of America.
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Re: The Libertarian ticket this year...

Post by jjk308 » Sun May 29, 2016 3:09 am

The Libertarians aren't a political party, they're an Improv theater and are acting out their whims and foibles in Orlando. Two failed Republicans as candidates, wannabees who failed to climb any further in political than governor via the Republican Party. Now they are stabbing the all of us in the back in what seems no more than an act of revenge on the party they failed in.

Libertarian delegates boo frontrunner Johnson, running mate Weld as ‘failed Republicans’

By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Saturday, May 28, 2016

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... d-by-dele/

Not all Libertarians are on board with former Republican Govs. Gary Johnson and William Weld running together on the party’s presidential ticket.

Mr. Johnson was booed by delegates at the Libertarian Party convention Friday during a preliminary debate after he described Mr. Weld’s candidacy as “beyond my wildest dreams” and called the former Massachusetts governor “the original Libertarian.”

Mr. Johnson’s comments came after Austin Petersen, a consultant who’s also running for the party’s presidential nomination, criticized Mr. Weld for endorsing Republican Mitt Romney in 2012 instead of Mr. Johnson, who was the Libertarian presidential candidate.

“Why didn’t your VP pick endorse you?” asked Mr. Petersen — who has called on delegates to stop nominating “failed Republicans” — at the nominating convention in Orlando, Florida.

Mr. Weld threw his hat into the Libertarian contest for vice president a week ago. The party is scheduled to select its presidential and vice presidential nominees Sunday in separate votes.

Since entering the race, however, Mr. Weld has been blasted by Libertarians such as cyber-security entrepreneur John McAfee — who’s also seeking the party’s presidential nod — for his less-than-libertarian stances on issues such as gun rights.

“McAfee says Republicans are taking over the Libertarian Party. Yes, they are,” said David Knight of InfoWars in a Friday webcast. “They’re pandering. They want to be looked at as an established party.”

Libertarians have seen a groundswell of interest and record attendance at their weekend convention in Orlando, Florida, in large part as a result of the high disapproval ratings of the presumptive major-party nominees, Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Donald Trump.

“They have seen a massive increase in people who are interested in what they’re about because they don’t like Trump or they don’t like Hillary or Bernie [Sanders],” said Mr. Knight. “And so people are checking them out. So what they’ve decided they’re going to do is present themselves as the GOP establishment. I think that’s really sad.”

Mr. Johnson and Mr. Weld, both two-term governors, actually have more governing experience between them than either the likely GOP or Democratic nominee. Mr. Trump has never sought public office, while Ms. Clinton served eight years as a senator from New York.

Mr. Johnson is polling at 10 percent in a hypothetical three-way presidential race. A survey conducted with the cooperation of the Libertarian National Committee released last week showed Mr. Johnson garnering 60 percent of the vote among a sample of Libertarian voters and registered members.

“From the sounds of the crowd, plenty of delegates are far happier about a candidate who speaks their concerns and hearts with passion and a customarily Libertarian Party style than they are concerned with serious political experience,” said Brian Doherty, a senior editor of Reason magazine.
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Re: The Libertarian ticket this year...

Post by Cloaked Dagger » Sun May 29, 2016 5:10 pm

The votes from the convention are in, it's officially a Johnson/Weld ticket and the libertarian party has just lost my support this election cycle over this bullshit and I've voted for them since I was old enough to vote since 2004.

You guys win, since I will be holding my nose no matter what unless I leave the presidential election box blank I might as well hold my nose against Hillary and vote for Trump.

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Post by sleepyhead » Mon May 30, 2016 6:41 am

Cloaked Dagger wrote: You guys win, since I will be holding my nose no matter what unless I leave the presidential election box blank I might as well hold my nose against Hillary and vote for Trump.
Just be glad you weren't actually at the convention, or you'd have to cover your eyes also #-o
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Re: The Libertarian ticket this year...

Post by Orlando Paulitician » Mon May 30, 2016 5:01 pm

jjk308 wrote:The Libertarians aren't a political party
they aren't a political party and yet you complain about their drawing votes away from Republicans....

I'm not sure those words mean what you think they mean.

But that's even irrelevant, because that wasn't my point. NONE US OF ARE CHAMPIONING THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY.

WE are just saying it's PEOPLE LIKE YOU who are DRIVING US OUT of the Republican Party.

I don't even vote anymore. Libertarian or otherwise. Votes the Republican party COULD have had, except people LIKE YOU don't want to GIVE UP your Big-Government Conservatism.

You are part of the problem.
they're an Improv theater and are acting out their whims and foibles in Orlando.
IDK WTF you're even talking about here. More non-sense I can't follow.
Now they are stabbing the all of us in the back in what seems no more than an act of revenge on the party they failed in.
if they are "stabbing people in the back", it is only because you fail to see your own culpability in and self-righteous pomposity over the status-quo that is slowing destroy America.

Of course, this is the second time I've made this claim, and you're not even going to address it. You're just going to put up straw-man redirections about the qualifications of the Libertarian candidates, which is not even at issue here...
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Post by GunnyHiway » Mon May 30, 2016 5:40 pm

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Post by jjk308 » Tue May 31, 2016 4:43 am

Orlando Paulitician wrote:
jjk308 wrote:
Of course, this is the second time I've made this claim, and you're not even going to address it. You're just going to put up straw-man redirections about the qualifications of the Libertarian candidates, which is not even at issue here...
And you are completely ignoring the moral and logical problems of the Libertarian Party: That it is implicit in helping elect a Democratic/Progressive/Socialist government, an overbearing near totalitarian suppression of all our rights except the right to think and speak exactly as our Politically Correct masters demand.
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Re: The Libertarian ticket this year...

Post by Orlando Paulitician » Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:06 pm

jjk308 wrote:
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jjk308 wrote:
Of course, this is the second time I've made this claim, and you're not even going to address it. You're just going to put up straw-man redirections about the qualifications of the Libertarian candidates, which is not even at issue here...
And you are completely ignoring the moral and logical problems of the Libertarian Party: That it is implicit in helping elect a Democratic/Progressive/Socialist government, an overbearing near totalitarian suppression of all our rights except the right to think and speak exactly as our Politically Correct masters demand.
I don't have to address that claim because I an in no way soliciting a pro-Libertarian-party or pro-Libertarian-candidate argument.

But go ahead, keep throwing up straw mans and driving voters away from the Republican party.

Keep espousing anti-liberty, Big-Government Conservative ideology and screaming at Libertarians at how they're to blame for every thing. People like you are destroying the Republican party and driving would-be supporters away. =:bye
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Re: The Libertarian ticket this year...

Post by jjk308 » Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:20 am

"None so deaf as those that will not hear. None so blind as those that will not see."
Matthew Henry

This has been a very useless thread because the dedicated Libertarians/Republican haters are living in their own little universe, a bubble composed of their own emotions and silly ideology, unrelated to reality. They seem to speak the same language as the rest of us but the words all have different meanings unrelated to reality. They've turned their world upside down and backwards, believing that they're proving something, anything, by getting a grossly incompetent Socialist wannabe dictator elected.

It's the same sort of bubble phenomenon afflicting Hillary Clinton and her cohorts, where the complete and total disasters of the foreign policy she and Obama established are called "the experience to lead."

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Post by Jimmac » Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:28 pm

I'm 77, never seen a 3rd party win POTUS, sure Inever will :ham'r /:f

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Re: The Libertarian ticket this year...

Post by jjk308 » Tue Jul 05, 2016 3:03 pm

The last new party that ever won anything was the Republican and only because it was formed from the Northern Whigs, Free Soil, and American Parties, plus some anti-slavery Democrats. So its 156 years of history against the Libertarians.

All they are doing is tilting at windmills and taking some votes from Trump. It's nothing but an ego trip, putting the desire to get into the history books, even if just a footnote, and running their own personal power center in the Libertarian Party ahead of the good of the Republic.

Considering the corrupt monster they are tacitly supporting, Hillary Clinton, I do not see how they can live with themselves or justify what they are doing. NOTHING could be worse than President Hillary Clinton, who is far to the progressive/socialist Left of where her husband was back in the 90's and whose platform will, implicitly, destroy a substantial part of the Bill of Rights.
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jjk308 wrote:The last new party that ever won anything was the Republican and only because it was formed from the Northern Whigs, Free Soil, and American Parties, plus some anti-slavery Democrats.
Which party did you belong to?
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Re: The Libertarian ticket this year...

Post by jjk308 » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:16 am

Gary Johnson is an honest* but defective candidate
Gov. Gary Johnson on 2016: America has an ’appetite for change’

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By Editorial Board July 7 at 5:00 PM https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... nes&wpmm=1

GARY JOHNSON and William Weld, the Libertarian Party nominees for president and vice president, respectively, brought their fiscally conservative, socially tolerant message to an interview with us Thursday morning. In some areas, their honesty and resistance to poll-tested polish have a certain bracing appeal. Mr. Johnson had no apparent qualms about calling for some politically dicey policies, such as raising the Social Security retirement age to “at least 70” and encouraging government programs that would test heroin quality in order to reduce the number of overdose deaths. He and Mr. Weld declined the opportunity to attack one of their rivals, Hillary Clinton, over her State Department emails, saying that FBI Director James B. Comey was right to recommend against any indictment.

But this refreshing honesty could not cover up the ticket’s defects and lapses. These start with a lack of general knowledge and preparation. Mr. Johnson, the genial former governor of New Mexico, could not tell us what share of the economy the federal government should spend, only that “whatever the current level is,” it should be reduced “by a few percentage points.” He did not know what the nuclear triad is, which, though admittedly alarming in a potential commander in chief, might have been at least understandable if Donald Trump had not infamously muffed the same question in December. The two former Republican governors promise to govern in partnership, but they appeared to disagree on many fundamental issues.

None of that is necessarily disqualifying in this extraordinary political year. Mr. Johnson surely could get up to speed in some areas he hasn’t thought much about. Indeed, he and his running mate mentioned that they are getting briefings from the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank.

More disturbing for anyone inclined to take this candidacy seriously was Mr. Johnson’s habit of resorting to wishful thinking whenever reality collided with libertarian ideology. Getting the government out of the way, he claimed, would solve a range of complicated social problems. Police shootings and various racial disparities have been results of the war on drugs, he argued, as if racism and police brutality would not exist if marijuana were legal. Climate change is real but regulations to cope with it aren’t needed, because consumers will demand clean energy, as if transforming the energy system were as simple as buying fair-trade coffee.

The Islamic State is a danger, he acknowledged, but he suggested it will work its own way into oblivion; no need for U.S. troops to help in that process. And he would solve the nation’s health-care challenge by abolishing most health insurance. “We don’t have grocery insurance,” he said. “If we did, why would there be any pricing on any of the shelves? You’d just pick out filet mignon.” With people paying out of pocket at “X-Rays R Us” and “Gallbladders R Us,” he said, prices would drop dramatically. But he also made clear he would balance the budget by letting states restrict eligibility for Medicaid, the health coverage program for the poor and near-poor. In his world, it’s not clear they could afford even a cut-rate gallbladder.

In short, Mr. Johnson offers simplistic solutions to many complex problems. Voters hoping to find a serious, attractive alternative to this year’s presumptive major-party nominees are apt to be disappointed in what he is trying to sell.

Full transcript of Johnson's meeting with the Washington Post Editorial Board is at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/po ... ?tid=a_inl


* I am suspicious that they put "honest" in there only because this pack of old line Liberals hope Johnson will peel off some of Trump's voters. Otherwise the editorial would probably have spewed some venom at the Libertarians.
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Re: The Libertarian ticket this year...

Post by Mike » Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:48 pm

I'm hoping the libertarian supporters reconsider and support Trump this year...


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