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Federal Semi-auto License?

Post by Springfield » Sun May 20, 2018 10:38 am

What do you guys think about this?

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... nse-218072
The idea is simple but powerful: a federally issued license for simple possession of all semi-automatic firearms. This license would allow us to carefully vet civilian access to semi-automatic weapons, while overriding state-specific weapon bans and eliminating some of the federal paperwork that ties specific firearms to specific owners.
It seems more likely to actually increase safety than most ideas, but would require concessions from both sides to work.
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Post by Orlando Paulitician » Sun May 20, 2018 10:49 am

A handgun is not a weapon of mass destruction.

This would provide a barrier to those simply trying to own one, and on that basis alone, I oppose it.

Besides that, we'll never get the democrats, congress, the anti-gun lobby, or even the pro-gun lobby to merely use this a bargaining chip.

Ideal situation: you can have semi-auto licensing IF you get rid of SBR, SBS, AOW, and suppressor regulations, and have a uniform semi auto/full auto licensing regulation, with the latter being subject fo '86 supply restrictions.

What would actually happen because NO ONE stands up for our rights: we'll get semi-auto licensing ON TOP of SBR, SBS, AOW, and suppressor regulations.

No thanks, but I'm tired of compromising. Something like this happens, I'm moving to a state where the local government is less likely to enforce this crap.
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Post by jjk308 » Sun May 20, 2018 11:25 am

Gun "nut" isn't the right word. Gun ignorant is.

The semi-auto ban and confiscation in Australia failed. The murder rate wasn't effected, continued on the same declining curve it had been on before the ban. And with the latest news spree killings haven't decreased either.

BTW biased researchers have tried to claim the Aussie ban and other gun control works but they do it by "p hacking" picking data from locales and time spans that support their bias, ignoring history, like the pre ban Aussie murder rate decline, and demographic, cultural and ethnic differences, like huge disparities in murder rates between different ethnic groups and the preponderance of crime in the 17 to 25 year old age group.
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Post by p7fl » Sun May 20, 2018 11:25 am

Everything "good idea" is a Step.
Anything passed is a Step, it is just the way anti's look at things. yes, there are some good ideas out there, but they are just incremental movements to becoming NYC.
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Post by REDinFL » Sun May 20, 2018 11:37 am

jjk308 wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 11:25 am
Gun "nut" isn't the right word. Gun ignorant is.

The semi-auto ban and confiscation in Australia failed. The murder rate wasn't effected, continued on the same declining curve it had been on before the ban. And with the latest news spree killings haven't decreased either.

BTW biased researchers have tried to claim the Aussie ban and other gun control works but they do it by "p hacking" picking data from locales and time spans that support their bias, ignoring history, like the pre ban Aussie murder rate decline, and demographic, cultural and ethnic differences, like huge disparities in murder rates between different ethnic groups and the preponderance of crime in the 17 to 25 year old age group.
Actually, it's even simpler and more intellectually dishonest than that. When the advocates of the anti-gun position quote statistics (yeah, Sam Clemens was right) they make sure to say ''gun crime'' is way down. It is true there are fewer gun crimes. Trouble is, they neglect to mention the crime increase using other implements. Just like the subversives twist the current immigration arguments: Note how they cleverly. (only for dullards) drop the ''illegal'' adjective. Argument by technique, and a poor one at that.
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Post by zeebaron » Sun May 20, 2018 12:50 pm

JFK was supposedly killed with a shitty surplus bolt action rifle.

Reagan almost died from getting shot with a shitty .22LR handgun.

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Post by Skoll » Sun May 20, 2018 3:29 pm

I read the entire article and it's all predicated on the writer thinking every State wouldn't throw a huge s';t fit over Federal overreach. We already fought a war over that once.
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Post by Water Rat » Mon May 21, 2018 5:22 pm

Gun owner registration.
Won't solve the problem cause f'n guns aren't the problem.

What is it about this concept that many sh@t for brains gun owners don't get?

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Post by Jonathanw » Mon May 21, 2018 8:55 pm

No Compromise.

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Post by P5 guy » Tue May 22, 2018 7:02 am

And the US Supreme Court has ruled registration violates felons right to NOT incriminate themselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States
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Post by flcracker » Tue May 22, 2018 12:50 pm

P5 guy wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 7:02 am
And the US Supreme Court has ruled registration violates felons right to NOT incriminate themselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States
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Haynes v. United States, 390 U.S. 85 (1968), was a United States Supreme Court decision interpreting the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution's self-incrimination clause. Haynes extended the Fifth Amendment protections elucidated in Marchetti v. United States, 390 U.S. 39, 57 (1968).

Background of the case
The National Firearms Act of 1934 required the registration of certain types of firearms. Miles Edward Haynes was a convicted felon who was charged with failing to register a firearm under the Act. Haynes argued that, because he was a convicted felon and thus prohibited from owning a firearm, requiring him to register was essentially requiring him to make an open admission to the government that he was in violation of the law, which was thus a violation of his right not to incriminate himself.

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In a 7-1 decision, the Court ruled in 1968 in favor of Haynes. Earl Warren dissented in a one sentence opinion and Thurgood Marshall did not participate in the ruling.

As with many other 5th amendment cases, felons and others prohibited from possessing firearms could not be compelled to incriminate themselves through registration. The National Firearms Act was amended after Haynes to make it apply only to those who could lawfully possess a firearm. This eliminated prosecution of prohibited persons, such as criminals, and cured the self-incrimination problem. In this new form, the new registration provision was upheld. The court held: " To eliminate the defects revealed by Haynes, Congress amended the Act so that only a possessor who lawfully makes, manufactures, or imports firearms can and must register them", United States v. Freed, 401 U.S. 601 (1971). The original Haynes decision continues to block state prosecutions of criminals who fail to register guns as required by various state law gun registration schemes.
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Federal Semi-auto License?

Post by dammitgriff » Tue May 22, 2018 1:55 pm

Always remember: the government can’t suspend your right to self-defense, whether convicted of a crime or not, because the right to defend your life does not come from the government.
Be prepared to pay for exercising this right, as the story linked below illustrates.
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Re: Federal Semi-auto License?

Post by BIG JOE » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:37 pm

NO /:f
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