Carrying in Courthouses???

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Carrying in Courthouses???

Post by FfNJGTFO » Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:48 am

I was discussing 2A on a different forum, when someone brought up an incident in a family/domestic courthouse (apparently, prior to security procedures and metal detectors) where a judge was finalizing divorce proceedings for a couple. Apparently, the "ex to be" husband drew a weapon, shot and hit his soon ex wife, her atty, and the judge, and then exited the courtroom and engaged a few LEOs in the hallway before being hit, himself. I'm told, he (shooter) survived. =:wvr This particular incident led to the expedited installation of magnetometers, and security procedures in that particular courthouse (they were "on the fence" about it before then).

That discussion raised this question: "Should law abiding citizens be allowed to carry in a courthouse/courtroom?" I know many of us feel we should be able to carry anywhere we like, but how realistic is that? The argument "for" carrying in courthouses, Police stations, jails, etc. being the same as carrying anywhere else... self defense and protection (and not having to disarm from general EDC when out and about). The argument against carrying in these places being, "If law abiding citizens are permitted to carry there, so can the BGs..." and since these particular places are where "adversaries" often gather and confront one another... (as per the above incident)...

Anyway, what say you? Do we have a realistic expectation of being able to carry in such places? As it turned out, we almost had a decent compromise with SB-616, where we could "check our weapons at the courthouse door..." but we know what happened to that (and like measures)... Thanks a bunch Ms. Flores! [smilie=042.gif]

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Re: Carrying in Courthouses???

Post by Cardboard_killer » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:52 pm

Concealed carry by permit holders I don't have a problem with. However, our court system is adversarial, so showing a firearm to court members in a case the gun owner is involved in is easily interpreted as assault. So, as long as no court member knows of or sees the firearm, then I think it's fine. Once it starts printing or is somehow seen, the carrier should be in big trouble.
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Post by N4KVE » Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:02 am

People can carry in the courthouse. You notify a cop at the door, & he will escort you where you can renew tags, pay taxes, & other administrative tasks. However you will not be allowed near a courtroom while carrying. GARY

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Post by Dave M » Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:55 pm

N4KVE wrote:People can carry in the courthouse. You notify a cop at the door, & he will escort you where you can renew tags, pay taxes, & other administrative tasks. However you will not be allowed near a courtroom while carrying. GARY
This is news to me

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Post by 870Mike » Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:46 pm

Dave M wrote:
N4KVE wrote:People can carry in the courthouse. You notify a cop at the door, & he will escort you where you can renew tags, pay taxes, & other administrative tasks. However you will not be allowed near a courtroom while carrying. GARY
This is news to me
That's not true in all courthouses. Depends on the layout and definition of "courthouse" (e.g. tax office located within same building as courthouse). Try it in Broward and see what happens...

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politic ... 67633.html

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2017030 ... day-372017

(12)(a) A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into:
1. Any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05;
2. Any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station;
3. Any detention facility, prison, or jail;
4. Any courthouse;
5. Any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom;
6. Any polling place;
7. Any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district;
8. Any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof;
9. Any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms;
10. Any elementary or secondary school facility or administration building;
11. Any career center;
12. Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;
13. Any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;
14. The inside of the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or
15. Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.
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