Anyone done real gun learnin? (Gunsite or other)

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Anyone done real gun learnin? (Gunsite or other)

Post by Taco » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:30 am

I'm thinking about, maybe, doing a week long class in the next year or two. Then again I've been saying I'm getting a suppressor next year for about a decade, so who knows.

Have you taken a 'serious' shooting class?
What class, where was it, approximately how much was it? Thoughts or feedback about the class. And ultimately, as it worth it or just hype?
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Re: Anyone done real gun learnin? (Gunsite or other)

Post by jwperry » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:42 am

Back before kids (when I had free time!) I took Randy Cain's handgun 101 class in Lakeland.
https://www.guntactics.com/Handgun.htm
It laid a good foundation for basic handgun marksmanship and was my first exposure to working with a holster.

I took a rifle class once (AR15 centric) and hated it. I realized then that as a non-LE/.mil user rifle classes are for a lot of people who want to play dress up on the weekends. My rifles have been viewed as toys or sportsball bats for gun gaming, nothing serious.

I've taken a few private lessons as well for pistol shooting. I've never not learned anything from the different pistol instructors and do not regret any of those.

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Re: Anyone done real gun learnin? (Gunsite or other)

Post by g.willikers » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:46 am

Everyone I know who took a serious class came away practically a new person.
Yes, do it.
There's plenty of good schools these days, no matter where you live.
A web search will find them.
If you're really serious about it, attending more than just one allows a counterbalance of views and procedures.
Until a person attends these training classes, they really have no idea of how much they don't know.
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Re: Anyone done real gun learnin? (Gunsite or other)

Post by fish » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:07 am

Liked Randy's basic handgun class.
I took it along w/ son and daughter, many years ago.
Might have been about $600 each then, plus lots of ammo.
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Post by Rentprop1 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:12 am

I took a Randy Cain class back in 2002 ish, well worth it and held in Lakeland
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Post by p7fl » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:28 pm

Been to about 20 three day classes.
Last 4 have been with Kyle Lamb.

I started taking classes with Randy's 101 and the skills learned there are used at every class and competition and every time I pick up a gun.
Do not confuse the name 101 with it being for people without knowledge like a CCW permit class.
If you don't know, Randy was Louis Auerbach's top student, then his AI at classes. Louis was Jeff Coopers first Range Master at Gunsite
Randy later was a regular instructor at Gunsite.
If you live in FL, Randy is the place to start.

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Re: Anyone done real gun learnin? (Gunsite or other)

Post by rug357 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:47 pm

I took 2 classes with Mas Ayoob back in the mid to late 80's which were pretty much only classes I knew about that were reputable. One class was mostly for legal aspect of self-defense shooting and another was for shooting under stress. Both classes were interesting and I learned some important things about shooting. I don't remember exactly but I believe each were 4 day classes and were about $500 and ammo...about 300 rounds for first one and over 500 for second class.

I also took a self-defense shooting class with a local guy at a gun range in Pompano around 1993 or so but walked out of the class after about 2 hours when I noticed multiple safety hazards and unsafe gun handling techniques. I pointed out each unsafe situation and techniques to instructors but was told I had to get used to the idea of being in dangerous area when it comes to carrying/handling loaded guns. It was an 8 hr. class taught by two guys who were suppose to be professional trainers with years of experience but I suspect they were just local "wanna be" guys with no real experience. It was a $250 class and we were told to bring 500 rounds. I shot about 50 rounds during the first 2 hours.

Next class I took was Randy Cain's handgun 101 class which I've taken 2 times now and is the most instructive class I've taken. His 101 class covers all the basics of handgun handling and shooting. It's 2 or 3 days class and you'll shoot about 500 rounds in 2 day class and about 800 rounds in 3 day class and cost about $450-$550. I also took his handgun 102 class which is more advanced/faster paced version of 101 and in 3 days I fired about 1,300 rounds. I went back later and took his 101 class again as it teach you all the basics which is what is important. In reality 102 and advanced classes are mostly just faster paced version of 101 class with few additional gun handling skills.

I've also taken a 2 days shotgun class found it to be very informational. I learn a lot about shotgun use in self-defense and "ammo management" which lead me to prefer shotgun over rifle/carbine for most self-defense purpose. It was surprising how shotguns are misunderstood by most untrained users. BTW we shot over 400 rounds of shells during 2 days which encourages you to learn recoil management real quick.

Finally I took a 2 day AR carbine class but I found it not really applicable to me as civilian. It was informational and fun but as civilian I don't see the use for laying down suppressive fire. As someone else had previously posted, AR class had a lot of "wanna be" Rambo and Delta operators.

As important as training is, and I strongly recommend it to everyone, I think the thing that helps me the most to shoot accurately and quickly is shooting handgun matches for 30+ years and just handling guns for past 40+ years. Shooting at matches forces you to perform under stress while being watched by other shooters. To shoot accurately requires a lot of quality trigger time (just pulling trigger quickly doesn't help and will lead to detrimental habits) at the range purposefully shooting at target with the aim of getting small groups. With time you'll become smoother/efficient with your motions and speed will follow as smooth = fast.
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Re: Anyone done real gun learnin? (Gunsite or other)

Post by rug357 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:11 pm

Oh, one more thing...bad training is worse than no training.
Just as bad practice is worse than no practice.
It's important to learn the proper basics in the beginning as it's very difficult to break bad habits and techniques later.
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Re: Anyone done real gun learnin? (Gunsite or other)

Post by wjbarricklow » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:02 pm

Went to Front Sight one time. It was pretty good, but I'm not a Weaver stance kinda guy.
...and they think I'm compensating for something?

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