NARRATIVE FAIL: Newly Discovered CDC Surveys Demolish Anti-Gun Talking Points

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NARRATIVE FAIL: Newly Discovered CDC Surveys Demolish Anti-Gun Talking Points

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Post by clyde621 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:58 pm

It's amazing how facts are available for all to see if they just look. However when the available information doesn't go along with your narrative you are pushing it never sees the light for others to see. We all know Klick doesn't stretch the facts to fit his narrative. He's like Sgt. Joe Friday "just the facts mam just the facts".

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Health advocate sagecraft turns only on emotion no science allowed.
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Post by dammitgriff » Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:38 am

Hasn’t anybody read John Lott’s books?
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Post by jjk308 » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:05 am

Below are links to the reason article and to a PDF of Gary Kleck's paper.

I've known for a long time that there's a big disconnect between the claims of the gun controllers about defensive gu8n use and the actual use. This paper gives an example of how they've covered it up.

It's just another facet in their falsifying "research. It adds Cover Up to the data cherry picking of time and place (AKA p hacking) and the false assumptions and biased study designs they've used extensively.
The CDC lost its authority to fund gun control studies after the mind boggling Kellerman studies of shootings in a county with a high drug trade incidence near Seattle WA. As the CDC handed out contracts each year Dr. Kellerman came up with 4 or 5 different claims about increased chances of death from having a firearm in a home, from 2.7 times to 43 times greater! But this award winning medical epidemiologist and statistician made a lot of serious mistakes in his study designs and in interpeting and using police reports. Earth to Dr. Kellerman: You can't get shot by a gun in a house unless there is a gun in the house - and owned by who we really don't know, brought into the house we really do not know when, and fired because we don't really know why. One analyst said that Kellerman's methodology was like calculating your chances of getting killed in an aircraft accident while ignoring the vast majority of planes that land safely!

https://reason.com/blog/2018/04/20/cdc- ... t-plenty-o

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Delivery.c ... d=1&type=2

And a scholarly paper on the defects of one Kellerman study: https://www.firearmsandliberty.com/kell ... affer.html

A much easier to read editorial about the same Kellerman study problems: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/0 ... ellermann/
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Post by fish » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:48 am

Probably few of us are surprised by these findings.
However, it is not about facts or reality, it is about the communists amazing ability to control the message and brainwash the mindless masses.
The masses will never be allowed to hear the truth.
Elimination of freedom of speech goes a long way to make sure most of the news media and all of the social media spew the same lies, continuously.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.
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Post by FfNJGTFO » Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:18 am

clyde621 wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:58 pm
It's amazing how facts are available for all to see if they just look. However when the available information doesn't go along with your narrative you are pushing it never sees the light for others to see. We all know Klick doesn't stretch the facts to fit his narrative. He's like Sgt. Joe Friday "just the facts mam just the facts".
Which is, of course, why they're never seen by those who absolutely need to see them. Because they do go against the "agenda." [smilie=042.gif]
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Post by g.willikers » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:21 am

Keep it simple.
What is most important, statistics or just the natural right to life and having the means to defend it?
Anyone needing statistics to support their civic and political position needs lessons in freedom as they clearly have no clue.
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Post by Cloaked Dagger » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:54 am

g.willikers wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:21 am
Keep it simple.
What is most important, statistics or just the natural right to life and having the means to defend it?
Anyone needing statistics to support their civic and political position needs lessons in freedom as they clearly have no clue.
I agree with this accessment. However having the statistics on our side doesn’t hurt either when it comes to politics and the mass of sheeple.
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Post by camacho » Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:16 am

jjk308 wrote:Below are links to the reason article and to a PDF of Gary Kleck's paper.

I've known for a long time that there's a big disconnect between the claims of the gun controllers about defensive gu8n use and the actual use. This paper gives an example of how they've covered it up.

It's just another facet in their falsifying "research. It adds Cover Up to the data cherry picking of time and place (AKA p hacking) and the false assumptions and biased study designs they've used extensively.
The CDC lost its authority to fund gun control studies after the mind boggling Kellerman studies of shootings in a county with a high drug trade incidence near Seattle WA. As the CDC handed out contracts each year Dr. Kellerman came up with 4 or 5 different claims about increased chances of death from having a firearm in a home, from 2.7 times to 43 times greater! But this award winning medical epidemiologist and statistician made a lot of serious mistakes in his study designs and in interpeting and using police reports. Earth to Dr. Kellerman: You can't get shot by a gun in a house unless there is a gun in the house - and owned by who we really don't know, brought into the house we really do not know when, and fired because we don't really know why. One analyst said that Kellerman's methodology was like calculating your chances of getting killed in an aircraft accident while ignoring the vast majority of planes that land safely!

https://reason.com/blog/2018/04/20/cdc- ... t-plenty-o

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Delivery.c ... d=1&type=2

And a scholarly paper on the defects of one Kellerman study: https://www.firearmsandliberty.com/kell ... affer.html

A much easier to read editorial about the same Kellerman study problems: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/0 ... ellermann/
Good stuff, thanks for sharing!


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Post by dammitgriff » Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:14 pm

g.willikers wrote:Keep it simple.
What is most important, statistics or just the natural right to life and having the means to defend it?
Anyone needing statistics to support their civic and political position needs lessons in freedom as they clearly have no clue.
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Post by Water Rat » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:11 pm

Facts don't support agendas for the most part.

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