War in Syria? Why?

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War in Syria? Why?

Post by armedpolak » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:45 am

Someone please explain to me why we should get involved in Syria? :-k




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Post by photohause » Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:01 am

Nope, not going there
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Because we are the police department for the world. GARY

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Post by jwillgym » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:44 am

Think he was spot on. Chlorine bombs don't have to be dropped by air. Either side could have used them. Getting tired of my elected officials using my $ to support wars that don't benefit anyone in the U.S., but the huge corporations that provide the materials.
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Post by fish » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:57 am

Ike spelled it out:

Vladimir Lenin: "The goal of socialism is communism."

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Because we like oil. /:f
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Post by lakelandman » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:57 pm

It's been like this ever since Korea and Vietnam this nothing new we always getting involved other people BS!! :ham'r
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Post by Cardboard_killer » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:13 pm

Because Syria is in bed with Iran and Russia, and would like nothing more than to wipe Israel off the face of the map. And because it all reeks of a kick in the nuts to the US all because Trump, like Obama, broadcast his intention of leaving the area to the natives and Russia, inviting the bad guys to act like bad guys.

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Post by Water Rat » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:38 pm

If you put together what you think is the best football team ever, how do you know if you never play another team?
While A list players don't care for direct conflict, proxy wars allow teams to test their play books.

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War in Syria? Why?

Post by dammitgriff » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:53 pm

Mises Institute—Against War in Syria:

“When you hear the words "national security" or "national interest" used by people in Washington, I think it's important to substitute "imperial" for "national." So is it in the national interest of the United States to bomb Syria? No. Is it in the imperial interest of the American Empire to do so? Yes.” —Lew Rockwell

“But wars are not made by common folk, scratching for livings in the heat of the day; they are made by demagogues infesting palaces. It is not necessary for these demagogues to complete the sale of a war before they send the goods home, as a storekeeper must complete the sale of, say, a suit of clothes. They send the goods home first, then convince the customer that he wants them. ... But the main reason why it is easy to sell war to peaceful people is that the demagogues who act as salesmen quickly acquire a monopoly of both public information and public instruction. ... The dead are still dead, the fellows who lost legs still lack them, war widows go on suffering the orneriness of their second husbands, and taxpayers continue to pay, pay, pay. In the schools children are taught that the war was fought for freedom, the home and God.” — H.L. Menckenhttps://mises.org/wire/against-war-syria

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Post by Gregh181 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:48 pm

The answer your lookin for is chemical weapons. When they are used or nukes world powers need to do something to curb the use of it. All these other answers are bullshit

I also personally hate chem weapons. We had Iraqi mortars hit us occasionally w gas. I remember being in a MOP suit for days and weeks at a time
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Post by john in jax » Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:00 pm

Putin/Russia is conducting every kind of war he can against the West except "all out war" in order to expand their sphere of influence:
Shooting down commercial airlines in Ukraine.
Ongoing cyber attacks against Western companies, government and power grids.
Poisoning Russians critical of Putin in Europe.
More aggressive probing/patrolling by combat aircraft in the Bearing Straights area.

Putin/Russia is constantly pushing and testing the West's resolve, just like a school yard bully they will continue to escalate the transgressions until you fight back. Thomahawk missle strikes against Syrian airforce and/or army bases could be a signal that we are fed up and won't put up with that crap anymore. Or if Putin is to be taken at his word Russian forces would retaliate directly against our naval forces that launched the missiles, in which case we might get to find out whose forces are better. Regardless, this fight is going to happen sooner or later.

Every aspect of the US economy is tied to oil/petroleum is some way shape or form. Russian/Iranian dominance in the OPEC region would allow them to devistate our economy/country with ease.

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Post by jwillgym » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:01 am

I have spent a bit of time in MOP suits myself. That's why direct prof needs to be presented on who deployed this chlorine/nerve agent bomb. If France has prof show us, France is the also one that got us tangled up in Vietnam. If the U.S. doesn't watch it's expenses we will go down broke just like Russia did - maybe that's the big plan... What will we get out of this one?
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Post by jjk308 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:43 am

Russia is engaged in a massive disinformation campaign through internet troll websites to try to convince American conservatives, especially vets and active military, that the Syrian gas attack was a staged fraud and that the USA has no business in Syria.

Don't fall for it. They've been doing stuff like this for a long time, ramped up during the Crimea invasion and Ukraine rebellion, and are getting pretty slick at it with supposed investigatory intelligence websites like SouthFront. It is a Russian Proxy website, part off the vast Russian disinformation network. It is supporting the current Russian/Syrian/Iranian line that the gas attack was staged by the "White Helmets".

How Russia Targets the U.S. Military

With hacks, pro-Putin trolls and fake news, the Kremlin is ratcheting up its efforts to turn American servicemembers and veterans into a fifth column.


By BEN SCHRECKINGER Politico.com
June 12, 2017

For the whole article see: https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ilitary-215247

.......In October 2013, at the same time that Veterans Today began publishing content from New Eastern Outlook, its sister site Veterans News Now began publishing content from the Strategic Culture Foundation, a Moscow think tank run by Yuri Profokiev, a former head of Moscow’s Communist Party and member of the Soviet Politburo.

In October 2015, Veterans Today also partnered with a slickly designed, anonymously authored military affairs website called South Front that had been registered in Moscow that April just as Russia was ramping up its influence operations in response to Western sanctions.

Since then, the site has consistently published articles that push the Kremlin party line, both from its Russian partner and its own contributors. Now, in addition to learning about “The Coming Shift to Cosmic Fascism,” readers who cruise to Veterans Today — which has 45,000 Facebook followers and claims more than 900,000 unique visitors per month — to catch up on the news or to check out the free services offered to veterans can read headlines like “Pravda: Ukraine indignant at 80% of Jews in power” and “Trump Humiliated: Syria Shoots Down 34 of 59 Cruise Missiles, Russia to Upgrade System Soon.” Recent contributions from South Front include “U.S. Suffers Reverses as Trump’s Plan to Aid Terrorists is Realized by Russia” and “The Political Uses Of Russophobia.” And recent contributions from New Eastern Outlook include, “If NATO wants peace and stability it should stay home” and “Brussels, NATO and the Globalists in Total Disarray.”

In late 2014, Duff and Dean attended a counterterrorism conference in Damascus at which Duff proclaimed to delegates from Russia, Syria, Iraq and Lebanon his theory that “the U.S. government is subservient to a worldwide criminal organization.” This March, the Veterans Today chairman attended a “VT Reception” in Damascus at which attendees gave speeches flanked by over-sized portraits of Assad and Putin, according to video he published on YouTube. Duff did not respond to a question about whether any foreign entities had been involved in funding his travel to Syria.

A State Department expert in Russian influence campaigns who was not authorized to speak on the record said he had taken note of Veterans Today’s partnership with New Eastern Outlook and that Southfront appears to be a Russian front that deliberately obscures its origins. The expert also described the Strategic Culture Foundation as a part of the Kremlin’s influence apparatus and noted that Russia has long sought to amplify the voices of Western conspiracy theorists.

Kate Starbird, a professor at the University of Washington who has studied the role of Veterans Today in the Russia-aligned “alternative media ecosystem,” described the website as an “active partner” in the dissemination of Russian propaganda.

Despite the often far-fetched claims and clunky feel of Veterans Today and other outlets used by Russian propagandists, Starbird said she has come to consider them potentially potent vehicles for disinformation. “I used to think it, and others like it, were quite fringe,” she said. “But the intentional targeting of U.S. military, active and retired, seems to be a strategy of information war. I have anecdotes from friends, family members and now strangers who tell me about their family members who are deeply engrossed in this information ecosystem.”

Joel Harding, a former Army intelligence officer who now works as independent researcher, describes Veterans Today, Veterans News Now and South Front as “Russian proxy sites.” Harding said that in combination with other components of Russian influence efforts, the sites could successfully influence the military community over the long term. “Veterans Today and Veterans News Now will not cause soldiers, Marines, airmen, or seamen to defect or become pro-Russian, not by themselves,” he said. “But if someone regards them as a reliable source of truthful information, does not recognize that they are pushing Russian propaganda or information with a pro-Russian perspective, over time they will change.”.......


Another face of this campaign is the clever planting of the false idea in the US media and among the Democrats that the Trump administration has no coherent Syria policy, no strategy, and shouldn't do anything without developing one. This is completely false.

US policy in Syria is not to get involved in the quagmire of the Syrian Civil War, because, although Assad is a monster, the rebels include many radical Sunni Islamic extremists and we simply couldn't sort them out or limit aid to the more acceptable factions. There is no good outcome for the USA in any possible settlement of that war. Russia may get its warm water port and Iran may get a lot of influence in Syria, but the country will be a graveyard, brutally ruled by a dictatorship opposed by 80% of the people.

Instead we have concentrated on our own war against ISIS, destroying the Islamic State in Syria and Western Iraq, using the Kurds as proxies for most of the fighting, and protecting them against Syrian and Russian attacks.

The other part of our strategy, and one not just limited to Syria, is one that Obama wimped out on. It is to eliminate the use of poison gas and other WMD worldwide and punish those who violate the international treaties against it. That's because gas is, to an equipped military, only a nuisance and its primary purpose is as a terror weapon against civilians. Because poisons like chlorine are common industrial chemicals, and because any insecticide plant can be converted to produce nerve gas and any chemist could make it in a home laboratory, it is a perfect weapon for terrorists and it is considered mandatory for the defense of the people of the United States that its use be suppressed by any available means.

Obama made the indefensible choice to do nothing but threaten Assad on poison gas, with his "red line" lies, and that just encouraged Assad to use it again and again. Trump ordering the attack on the Syrian Air Force last year stopped him for a while but he may have decided to try again because of Trump's "withdrawal from Syria" comments.

That "withdrawal" would be a good idea BUT our job isn't done. There are about 10,000 ISIS combatants still free, the Russians and Syrians are still trying to attack the Kurds fighting them and Assad is still trying to use poison gas. As long as this state of affairs continues we have to stay in Syria.
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War in Syria? Why?

Post by dammitgriff » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:57 pm

Ridiculous assertions are being made by some Americans who just don’t realize when their government is lying through their teeth.
We have no lawful mandate to barge into other countries and shoot up the place. We are in the wrong here, Russia is dead right on this issue and they will rightfully counter any attack on their military members in Syria. They were invited into Syria and we were not, we are trespassing in yet another country without permission to be there. Nikki Haley is an embarrassment to our country. We deserve to get our asses kicked.
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War in Syria? Why?

Post by dammitgriff » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:18 pm

Tremendous risk involved for the entire world, and some people actually believe it will be a good thing.
We better pull our heads out of our butts and jerk a knot in our government’s ass before they do something we will all regret:
https://youtu.be/zvK1Eu01Lz0

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Post by Gregh181 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:31 pm

dammitgriff wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:57 pm
Ridiculous assertions are being made by some Americans who just don’t realize when their government is lying through their teeth.
We have no lawful mandate to barge into other countries and shoot up the place. We are in the wrong here, Russia is dead right on this issue and they will rightfully counter any attack on their military members in Syria. They were invited into Syria and we were not, we are trespassing in yet another country without permission to be there. Nikki Haley is an embarrassment to our country. We deserve to get our asses kicked.
I don’t trust our government or its presstitute mainstream media mouthpiece.
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Post by jjk308 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:22 pm

dammitgriff wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:18 pm
Tremendous risk involved for the entire world, and some people actually believe it will be a good thing.
We better pull our heads out of our butts and jerk a knot in our government’s ass before they do something we will all regret:
https://youtu.be/zvK1Eu01Lz0
"With hacks, pro-Putin trolls and fake news, the Kremlin is ratcheting up its efforts to turn American servicemembers and veterans into a fifth column."

That Leftist dork being interviewed on the video is a notorious pro- Putin "Russian Expert", who has said that the problems with Russia are all the fault of the USA. Cohen is married to Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor of the progressive magazine The Nation, where he is also a contributing editor.

Wikipedia Stephen F Cohen : "Cohen has said that Putin's handling of the crisis in Ukraine—his annexation of Crimea and his support for rebel fighters in the east— was a reaction to the aggressive behavior of the United States and its allies, when they supported the overthrow of President Viktor Yanukovych and, in an article in the left-liberal publication The Nation, that the US political-media establishment was silent about "Kiev's atrocities" in the Donbass region which in turn was criticized by Cathy Young as "error-riddled" and an "embarrassing" repetition of Kremlin propaganda.Cohen has also said that even if Putin's reaction was also aggressive, the US should now negotiate with Russia to avoid escalation of the conflict.[6] His views on Ukraine have been criticized by James Kirchick[7], Jonathan Chait[8] and Isaac Chotiner[9] as being pro-Putin and the Russian government[7] which Cohen, in turn, has rejected.

Cohen has said that the USA continued the Cold War after the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991, citing Clinton's backtracking on the promise of his predecessor to not extend NATO eastward and the flawed interpretation of an "American victory" and a "Russian defeat" since the ex-President's tenure which led the American administrations to believe that Russia would submit completely to American foreign policy.[11] Moreover, Cohen cites the cancellation of the ABM Treaty in 2002* and the refusal of admission to the WTO at the G8 summit in Saint Petersburg 2006. Cohen also criticizes the "pointless demonization" of Vladimir Putin as an "autocrat".[11] His views on US-Russian relations have been criticized by Julia Ioffe.

* Keeping the ban on defensive ABMs was a primary goal of the extreme left who claimed it would "destabilize the balance of Terror". IMHO a morally inexcusable stance, preferring fear of annihilation to defense.
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