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Who should be able to get social security benefits ? ? ?

Post by 23Preacher » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:26 am

Able to get it with no bullshit.
Ya know,the people who worked their asses off over the years and were always told that all that money they took out of their check was so that when they got old/injured down the road,if they lived, they'd be able to get some sort of cash.

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Some 25 year old with a f#;.,/g baby who doesn't know who the daddy is,AND is pregnant again.Never really worked other than at Mcdonalds flippin' burgers for min. wage.

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Post by tector » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:37 am

I think the 25 yo, unless disabled, is not going to get SS, but will get some other government money.

And when children are involved, you can just forget arguing about it. Americans are not going to let American children starve in the streets. That is just reality.

View it as a gift. Or reparations, if that fits culturally (it all too often does).
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Post by Flame Red » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:03 am

The crisis for all the Gooberment give aways is coming - sooner or later. No politicans, except maybe the Donald, will want to address it.

What the Gooberment has been doing for the last decade or so is to silently address it by debasing the currency. The Federal Reserve was the mechanism. The Fed buys up the majority of the Treasury debt, and they have debased the currency 98% since they were founded by the Libiturd Wilson. So the debt interest is paid back in worthless $ that the fed printed out of the blue (actually just added lots of zeros to accounts), and the benefits they pay out are worth less and less. But still, even with all that, soon all the tax revenues will not cover the interest payments. Then the [smilie=042.gif] will hit the fan. No $ for welfare, abortions or foreign aid - all of it goes to interest.

Best have plenty of ammo when that happens. That's why the Repubics and the Libiturds want to make sure sure guns are banned ASAP.

The Rich Libiturds, like Buffet often say they should not get SS. Problem is, that they would consider you and most of us "Rich" and we won't need no Social Security. by their logic. You see, if you scimp and save your whole life in your 401K and have more than $2 in it when you retire, the politicians will say you don't need SS anymore and they will "give" it to the scum that never saved a dime and spent it all on grass, drugs, smokes, booze and whores and have no savings. They are "deserving". That is after they raise the retirement age to 100 for everyone. You see you did not "contribute" to FDR's plan, it will become a tax and they politicians will say F you - it is not your $.

Only the F*ckin Gooberment could get away from operating a Ponzie scheme like this. And then the more modern politicians robbed the "trust" fund and borrowed the $ so they could waste it on their pork and give aways.

Well, except if you have a lavish Gooberment Pension where you get 80 to 100% of your salary and annual increases where as most of us regular folks that worked for real companies don't get [smilie=042.gif] anymore for pensions and out taxes keep going up and up to pay all your Gooberment Drone lavish pensions. Most of the Gooberment employees I know end up going to Houston's to eat a couple times a week and travel the world for three or four weeks at a time three or four times a year - first class BTW. I'll end up eating rice and beans from Sprawlmart to pay for them.

So these c;;k s;;;;r Repubic and Libiturd politicians want to take my SS? First, we had Reagan raise my retirement age to 67.5. Then Klinton c;;ks;;;;r signs an executive order that permits my company to steal my pension from me. Then the company says, no problem, just work till you are 67 and collect SS. Only problem is that the US has no laws like other countries do and so they are laying off like crazy in the US and hiring in India. Exactly how can I hold on to my job till 67?
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Post by zeebaron » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:51 pm

Would you rather them commit crimes to stay alive?

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Post by Skoll » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:03 pm

Ideally, everyone should be able to get SS benefits, that's what it's there for; a social safety net.

That being said, it doesn't help that Congress uses it as a private bank and pilfers at will. It is disgusting however how many people believe the (many times proven wrong) stereotypes about SS.
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Post by molivo » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:11 pm

23Preacher wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:26 am
Able to get it with no bullshit.
Ya know,the people who worked their asses off over the years and were always told that all that money they took out of their check was so that when they got old/injured down the road,if they lived, they'd be able to get some sort of cash.

OR
Some 25 year old with a f#;.,/g baby who doesn't know who the daddy is,AND is pregnant again.Never really worked other than at Mcdonalds flippin' burgers for min. wage.
I think you're confusing different government programs the 25 year old would probably be on some form of state welfare. Social Security is a federal program for retirees.
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Post by molivo » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:12 pm

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Ideally, everyone WHO PAID INTO IT should be able to get SS benefits, that's what it's there for; a social safety net.

That being said, it doesn't help that Congress uses it as a private bank and pilfers at will. It is disgusting however how many people believe the (many times proven wrong) stereotypes about SS.
Fixed it for you.
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Post by Skoll » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:23 pm

molivo wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:12 pm
Skoll wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:03 pm
Ideally, everyone WHO PAID INTO IT should be able to get SS benefits, that's what it's there for; a social safety net.

That being said, it doesn't help that Congress uses it as a private bank and pilfers at will. It is disgusting however how many people believe the (many times proven wrong) stereotypes about SS.
Fixed it for you.
Sure, in fantasy land that doesn't have a country of 350 million people with an overtly corrupt government that spends our taxes on stupid s';t, but I digress.

E: and the post above mine, he probably meant SSI, which is social security disability, which anyone can qualify for. My doctor even says I do because of how messed up my back is.
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Post by pokeeejoe » Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:32 pm

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Best have plenty of ammo when that happens.
Ammo won't get the job done. You'll also need the bunkers, machine guns and buddies to fight off the mob around the clock. If there's just going to be a few of you, it's time to stockpile cleaning chemicals :-)

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Post by P5 guy » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:52 am

My ex-wife's step son has been on Social Security Disability since he was seven, now going on fourteen. Also, on medicaid for emotional issues caused by his parents.

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Post by Flame Red » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:11 am

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Ideally, everyone should be able to get SS benefits, that's what it's there for; a social safety net.
You a Libitard? You want all the illegals, and everyone that did not work a day in their life to qualify!?!?! You should have to had to contribute to qualify. But Kongress opens it up more and more. =:wvr

Bad enough all the illegals and low lifes that never worked a day in their life get Medicaid and Welfare. SS will not last till next year if the illegals get their hands on it.
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Post by jjk308 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:44 am

Flame Red wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:03 am
The Federal Reserve was the mechanism. The Fed buys up the majority of the Treasury debt, and they have debased the currency 98% since they were founded by the Libiturd Wilson. So the debt interest is paid back in worthless $ that the fed printed out of the blue (actually just added lots of zeros to accounts), and the benefits they pay out are worth less and less. But still, even with all that, soon all the tax revenues will not cover the interest payments. Then the [smilie=042.gif] will hit the fan. No $ for welfare, abortions or foreign aid - all of it goes to interest.
The Federal Reserve is a creature of Congress, set up by a law and deliberately removed from any direct control so Congress doesn't get their hands dirty and you can blame a bunch of elite bankers instead. The primary purpose of the Fed isn't even to protect the value of the currency but to stop financial panics and recessions by creating big gobs of money on the spot. The past one occurred because our wonderful government, and especially Congress, wouldn't rein in mortgage abuses, partly for fear of popping the real estate bubble early, partly because of the array of pro housing ideologies. That's something the Fed didn't have the authority to handle. All they could do is create money to keep the financial organizations who participated in the mess solvent.

Congress is spending the $$$$ and forced Trump to sign their Godawful bill so he could get adequate military funding. Between the party splits, both parties having internal advocacy groups and the 60 votes needed, usually, in the Senate its damned near impossible to get any sane spending bill through them unless it throws money at everyone's pet cause.
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And I'm 73 and getting ZERO Social Security because I'm a federal civil service retiree. Every cent I paid to SS before I got the government job is gone, zeroed out. Not complaining because my pension is a hell of a lot more, and because the original idea of SS wasn't an old age pension but welfare for the elderly and disabled who couldn't work to stop them from starving. It's Social Security Insurance and the only reason its more than you need for your cans of cat food is that Congress kept adding more benefits, turning it into a sort of partial pension system, without thinking of how to pay for it.
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Post by Skoll » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:25 pm

Flame Red wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:11 am
Skoll wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:03 pm
Ideally, everyone should be able to get SS benefits, that's what it's there for; a social safety net.
You a Libitard? You want all the illegals, and everyone that did not work a day in their life to qualify!?!?! You should have to had to contribute to qualify. But Kongress opens it up more and more. =:wvr

Bad enough all the illegals and low lifes that never worked a day in their life get Medicaid and Welfare. SS will not last till next year if the illegals get their hands on it.
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Post by Flame Red » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:39 pm

Yet you responded. Back at, ya. Go run for Kongress - you would fit in perfectly giving money that is not your away. If the shoe fits, go shove it up your a$$ Libiturd.
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Post by tector » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:56 pm

To adjust the issue, slighlty:

There have been right wing cases made for ideas variously labeled universal basic income, guaranteed income, negative income tax, etc.. The most famous American proponent from the right was the great Milton Friedman, whose sweaty balls we would not be worthy to lick, collectively, if he was still alive. Such proposals largely dump most other forms of "welfare."

So it is quite possible to make such proposals and not be a "libtard," or whatever.
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Post by Skoll » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:59 pm

So you're saying Milton Friedman wasn't a selfish piece of s';t who didn't want to see his countrymen unduly suffer over a stupid political stance?
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Post by tector » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:17 pm

I am saying there is some nuance possible that is not captured by simple labeling.
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Post by dammitgriff » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:13 pm

I want every cent returned to me that I was coerced to pay into Uncle Sam’s Ponzi scheme that is known as Social Security.
It is not, nor has it ever been, the proper role of government in D.C. to provide for the welfare of American citizens. One look around at our nation’s financial situation should be evidence enough that it was a bad idea to implement this socialist program. And LBJ only made it worse in the 60’s: https://mises.org/wire/how-1960s-made-everything-worse
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Post by tector » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:16 pm

dammitgriff wrote:
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And LBJ only made it worse in the 60’s: https://mises.org/wire/how-1960s-made-everything-worse
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My ex-wife's step son has been on Social Security Disability since he was seven, now going on fourteen. Also, on medicaid for emotional issues caused by his parents.

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Huh so a kid is on SSID for having bad parents really. ](*,)

Now don't take this the wrong way. I'm a very strong advocate of hard working Americans that have worked all their life paid into the system. It's not their fault thst the government is a bunch of F'ing lying damn thieves that would steal from their mother. That are ABSOLUTELY the most CORRUPT pos on this earth.

Where else can you go and work for what 2 or 4 years and get full retirement benefits even if your not re-elected. Start out poor and by the time you get out of office some how be transformed as if by magic in to a MILLIONAIRE. All simply by being elected as a public servant uh lol for the people.

Enough on the corrupt B.S. that flushes out of Washington's toilets and some how finds it's way into the heartland of America.

But I believe if an AMERICAN TAX PAYER THAT'S WORKED AND PAID TAXES THEIR ENTIRE LIFE. BOTH Federal and Social Security reachs what ever age is granted by law they are entitle and have EARNED THE RIGHT TO RECIEVE WHAT EVER THEY ARE ENTITLED TO.

I also believe that if an AMERICAN that IS WORKING, PAYING FEDERAL and SOCIAL SECURITY with holdings to the government get's hurt or sick while on the job. That if this injury prevents them from earning an income. I whole heartedly believe that they are entitled to SSDI.

I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT INDIVIDUALS THAT DO NOT WORK, HAVE NEVER PAID INTO THE SYSTEM AND ARE MORE THAN ABLE TO WORK SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO A DAMN THING. ESPECIALLY JUST FOR POPPING RATS OUT THEIR ASS.

I ALSO AM ADAMANT ABOUT ABSOLUTELY NO, NONE, ZERO BENEFITS OF ANY KIND EXCEPT FOR A ONE WAY TICKET BACK TO WHERE EVER THEY CAME FROM. ILLEGALS IN AMERICA ILLEGALLY ARE CRIMINALS AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH WITH ZERO EXCEPTIONS. THESE PEOPLE ARE BREAKING AMERICA'S LAWS AND ANYBODY IN AMERICA HARBORING BE IT PRIVATE OR GOVERNMENT ENTITIES SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.


People on Medicaid should be made to work for any money they are given by the govenment. If need be work for the government even if it is picking up garbage, painting public property whatever the states need done.

But for these young pos to sit on their asses or in school and probably not even work yet or work very little. To RIDICULE hard working men and women who have busted their asses all their life. Jumping up and down and screaming why should they get pay SOCIAL SECURITY when they'll probably not be able to draw. SSI when they become older.

Hate to tell you young idiots this it's not us that's killing or hurting the program. It's our elected officials. Plus all those people that refuse to work and the government decides to pay them ANYWAYS. For having babies ect...ect...

Now some will say hey wait a minute that money comes from a different program that's is funded by different taxes. Guess what num nuts when it falls short on funds where do you think Uncle Sam sticks his grubby hands to make up for the shortage.

That's right it comes from our SSI MONEY THE POLITICIANS BORROWED oh did not know that. You forgot that Uncle Sam uses our SSI FUND as his personal PIGGY BANK of coarse they'll pay us back [smilie=022.gif] [smilie=022.gif] [smilie=jestor.gif] [smilie=jestor.gif] [smilie=back.gif] [smilie=back.gif]

WRONG THE GOVERNMENT IS SPENDING AND HAS BEEN SPENDING EVERY BODIES SSI. These spoiled ass pos kid do nothing but blame the older generation for all the down falls of this great nation. When in fact if they'd take the time to stop whining and crying and using this as an excuse not to work. I've heard young people say. Why should I work and bust my ass supporting a bunch of old people. So they can live high on the hog [smilie=012.gif]

If they'd wipe the tears, open their eyes and looked into government spending. They'd see what's been going on with THEIR MONEY. But nope these dimwits are to busy letting the liberal DEMOCRATS mislead them and keep their minds focused on other things, lies.

Like gun control the stealing of their rights like the 5th and 14th Admendments due process and many others. They are young and dumb and do not realize the ramifications of thrir inactions or misdirection. These LEFT WING LIBERAL SOCIALIST DEMOCRATS have these kids flying in all but the right direction. Attacking all Americans especially he older more patriotic Americans and their rights to anything.

My point is we paid into the system this B.S. you money is gone. It was spent on the last generation and everyone working today is taking care of you/paying your way. This is nothing but crap. There is money in the system. This line is just an excuse the POLITICAL LEADERS use to spend more of what we have.

Sure SSI NEEDS REFORM. I AGREE ABSOLUTELY IT DOES. IT NEEDS FOR THE F'ING GOVERNMENT TO GIVE BACK WHAT IT'S STOLEN FROM AMERICANS AND THEN STAY THE HELL OUT OF IT.

BECAUSE NOT ONE RED CENT OF THAT MONEY IN THAT SSI ACCOUNT BELONGS TO THE GOVERNMENT. THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO TOUCH IT OR USE IT FOR ANYTHING. IT THEY WOULD HAD LEFT IT ALONG THE SSI FUND WOULD MORE THAN ACHIEVED IT GOAL PLUS SOME

Remember how the Democrats bragged and still do. That when their boy Slick Willie Clinton left office. He balanced the budget.

Yep he sure did. By raiding the infamous SSI account and using the money he stole out of there. Money Clinton stole from Tax Payers with a false promise to pay it back.

I remember that as if it were yesterday. I can almost smell the air from that day Clinton left office. It's called the day tyranny left the WHITE HOUSE.

Freedom was restored until that is the ubangi was elected. The first black President and IF he is an example of how blacks will behave, I hope he's the last. He was the most racist President in my life time I've ever experienced.

So bottom line is if your American, paid taxes, worked all your life. Voted Republican no joking on that one [smilie=011.gif] I whole heartedly support ANY American getting SSI or SSDI If injuried or stricken with an illness while working.

If you do not/have never worked. NO SSI OR SSDI. In America illegally YOU SIMPLY GET OUT. IF YOU PROVIDE AID YOU GO TO JAIL

Except for Jose thst mows my grass [smilie=011.gif] [smilie=011.gif] [smilie=011.gif]

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