HOORAY! Year Round Daylight Savings Time!

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HOORAY! Year Round Daylight Savings Time!

Post by jjk308 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:45 pm

Legislature voted it in yesterday, goes to Govs desk for signature.

Aside from being a PITA the 2 time changes a year kill about 200 people and maims a lot others in assorted related accidents. Time for this archaic remnant of the pre fluorescent lighting days to go. I hope the rest of the USA follows Florida
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Post by flcracker » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:03 pm

And, nothing will happen unless Congress enacts a change to Federal law.....
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Post by jjk308 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:10 pm

Supposedly a slam dunk. Congress defers to the states as long as it has support and doesn't impact anyone else.
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Re: HOORAY! Year Round Daylight Savings Time!

Post by flcracker » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:22 pm

A slam dunk based on what? AFAIK, there are no states that observe DST year-round at this time. Florida would be the first. There is no track record for Congress approving permanent DST. This is the exact OPPOSITE of what several states have done (eliminate DST). It remains to be seen if the idea of having Florida stay on DST year-round will be acceptable to Congress.

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In 2015, the Nevada Senate passed Nevada Assembly Joint Resolution 4[31], which urged Congress to enact legislation allowing individual states to establish daylight saving time as the standard time in their respective states throughout the calendar year. This would mean that Nevada is on the same time as Arizona all year, but would be an hour ahead of California in the winter.[32] The United States Congress has not yet enacted any enabling legislation in this regard.
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Re: HOORAY! Year Round Daylight Savings Time!

Post by Sutol » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:33 pm

If I remember my Indiana days correctly, there is a part of Indiana that does not change time ever.

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Post by 870Mike » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:34 pm

flcracker wrote:
Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:22 pm
A slam dunk based on what? AFAIK, there are no states that observe DST year-round at this time. Florida would be the first.
False.

Most areas of the United States observe daylight saving time (DST), the exceptions being Arizona (except for the Navajo, who do observe daylight saving time on tribal lands), Hawaii, and the overseas territories of American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, and the United States Virgin Islands.
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Post by 870Mike » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:36 pm

Sutol wrote:
Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:33 pm
If I remember my Indiana days correctly, there is a part of Indiana that does not change time ever.
Indiana

From 1970 until 2006, most of Indiana in the Eastern Time Zone did not observe daylight saving time, but the entire state started to do so in April 2006 after eight counties in western Indiana were shifted from the Central Time Zone to the Eastern Time Zone. One goal for observing DST was to get more Indiana counties observing the same time zone; formerly, 77 counties observed EST, 5 observed EST/EDT (the EDT usage being unofficial only), and 10 observed CST/CDT. As of 2016, Indiana has 12 counties observing Central Daylight Time while the remaining 80 counties observe Eastern Daylight Time. Those counties observing CST are in two groups: one near or in the Chicago metropolitan area, and the other around Evansville in the southwest corner of the state.
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Post by Sutol » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:39 pm

I was in Evansville 1993-1995. Did not know about the change in 2006.

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Post by 870Mike » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:39 pm

However... :-k

Nevada

In 2015, the Nevada Senate passed Nevada Assembly Joint Resolution 4, which urged Congress to enact legislation allowing individual states to establish daylight saving time as the standard time in their respective states throughout the calendar year. This would mean that Nevada is on the same time as Arizona all year, but would be an hour ahead of California in the winter. The United States Congress has not yet enacted any enabling legislation in this regard.

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In 2015, Rep. Elizabeth Scott (R-Monroe) filed a House bill to end DST in Washington, and a companion bill was filed in the Senate. She told a House committee that the semiannual time switches are not only inconvenient but lead to health problems and accidents due to lost sleep. She added that the bill to drop daylight saving time would reduce heart attacks, car wrecks, and work accidents found to increase with the sleep-schedule disruptions. A different Senate Bill would petition the federal government for year-round DST. The bills were defeated.
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Post by molivo » Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:58 pm

I'm confused...what would this actually do?
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Re: HOORAY! Year Round Daylight Savings Time!

Post by FfNJGTFO » Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:29 pm

molivo wrote:
Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:58 pm
I'm confused...what would this actually do?
It would negate the need to "Spring forward 1 hour" in March and "Fall back 1 hour" in November. We would always stay "sprung forward." What this means is that we'd experience more light during the afternoons. But during the winter, we'd have an extra hour of darkness in the mornings. Not that it matters much down here in FL, as it seems there is always a marginal average of 12-14 hours of daylight per day. It just "shifts" by a couple of hours between 5a - 7a for sunrise. But up in the NYC area latitude, You can go (between sunrise and sunset) from 8 hours of daylight at the winter solstice, to maybe 16 hours of daylight at the summer solstice. The more daylight, the better for me. I'd just prefer not to start my day in the dark, as I did in HS, when they experimented with starting DST in February for "energy conservation" reasons.

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Post by REDinFL » Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:03 pm

12:00 noon and the sun at meridian, Standard time is the way to go. DST is just commercialism.
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Re: HOORAY! Year Round Daylight Savings Time!

Post by dammitgriff » Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:37 pm

I sure as hell hope they finally pass the damn bill to stop dicking around with the clocks. I’m getting too damn old and cranky to have those knotheads trying to control my time!

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Post by madman » Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:13 pm

I believe the states can stay on standard time, if they want, but it's illegal to go to year 'round DST Why? who in the hell knows? :ham'r
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Re: HOORAY! Year Round Daylight Savings Time!

Post by flcracker » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:59 am

870Mike wrote:
Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:34 pm
flcracker wrote:
Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:22 pm
A slam dunk based on what? AFAIK, there are no states that observe DST year-round at this time. Florida would be the first.
False.

Most areas of the United States observe daylight saving time (DST), the exceptions being Arizona (except for the Navajo, who do observe daylight saving time on tribal lands), Hawaii, and the overseas territories of American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, and the United States Virgin Islands.
Re-read what I wrote. This and your next quote on Nevada agree 100% with what I posted.
there are no states that observe DST year-round at this time.
There are currently NO states that observe DST YEAR-ROUND.
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Post by 870Mike » Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:23 am

Oh...trick question.

So AZ is in perpetual "early darkness" (winter time...fall back) year round?? :-k That doesn't make sense.
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Post by flcracker » Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:58 am

870Mike wrote:
Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:23 am
Oh...trick question.

So AZ is in perpetual "early darkness" (winter time...fall back) year round?? :-k That doesn't make sense.
What you are describing is Standard Time. Arizona does absolutely nothing that doesn't make sense other than not going along with an artificial manipulation of international time zones - they simply follow Standard Time as defined by the 24 international time zones that divide the planet Earth into 24 hours. To "fall back" at the end of DST is to simply return to Standard Time.

Any place that does not observe DST is following Standard Time, based on the international time zones, which originate at Greenwich Mean Time (GMT), also known as Coordinated Universal Time (UTC), Zulu or Military Time. That is the time that it is in London. London is five hours ahead of us here in Florida (five hours later in the day than us) BY MAP, regardless of what we have set our clocks to and have decided to follow. If I call Nicolas in Jolly Old England at dawn here from in Florida while enjoying my cafe con leche and cuban toast, the sun rose (about) five hours earlier for him and he is having a beer with his ploughman's lunch. [smilie=cheers1.gif]

Any place that DOES observe DST - during the time period that DST is in effect at that location - has advanced their clocks one time zone to the east of their actual location on the planet Earth.

For example: Midnight (0000) during Standard Time in the Eastern Time Zone (Eastern Standard Time, or EST) = 0500 GMT/UTC (five hours later in the day).

However, during Daylight Savings Time in the Eastern Time Zone (Eastern Daylight Time, or EDT), Midnight = 0400 GMT, or the equivalent of shifting the location of my favorite sunrise pier overlooking Tampa Bay from the Eastern Time Zone to the Atlantic Time Zone. note: I do not teleport to Bermuda.

EST = UTC-5
EDT = UTC-4

If we switch Florida to EDT year-round, our clocks will always follow Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Bermuda, Puerto Rico, Guadelupe, Barbados, Caracas, La Pas, etc., instead of Toronto, New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Indianapolis, Detroit, Washington DC, Asheville, Charleston, Savannah, Atlanta, etc..

See this map for a graphical explanation: https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/

See this table for a tabulation of UTC (GMT) offsets: https://www.timetemperature.com/abbrevi ... ions.shtml

I will wait for someone to show where/when the US Congress has ever indicated in the slightest that they would be inclined to authorize this before I take it seriously. If they won't do it for Nevada, why would they do it for Florida?

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Post by P5 guy » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:11 am

It's for the children!!!
Too unsafe to walk to the bus stop in the dark!!!!
You hateful people want my children endangered and run down like dogs in the road for your convenience not to change a clock twice a year!?!?!?

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Post by tector » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:12 am

Oh good Christ....talk about dumb.

1st choice: do nothing
2nd choice: year-round STANDARD time (nationwide, preferably)
3rd choice: planet-killer comet hitting the Earth

Year round DST was observed during wartime and was viewed as a burden to be tossed aside ASAP, like rationing. But Americans today are so much dumber and open to government manipulation, so there is no comparison.

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Re: HOORAY! Year Round Daylight Savings Time!

Post by jjk308 » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:39 am

flcracker wrote:
Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:22 pm

from wikistuff:
In 2015, the Nevada Senate passed Nevada Assembly Joint Resolution 4[31], which urged Congress to enact legislation allowing individual states to establish daylight saving time as the standard time in their respective states throughout the calendar year. This would mean that Nevada is on the same time as Arizona all year, but would be an hour ahead of California in the winter.[32] The United States Congress has not yet enacted any enabling legislation in this regard.
That resolution asked Congress to pass a law applicable to ALL the states, not just Nevada. This is a very different and much more difficult proposition than doing it for just one state.

FYI Florida could, by itself, abolish Daylight Savings Time within its borders. No approval from Congress needed. But the Uniform Time Act sets the dates of the time change if a state chooses to use DST so Congress must approve a change in those dates for year round DST.

Florida is the only state far south enough for year round DST to be really practical.

I JUust had a brainstorm. The FL legislature could pass a la3w taking Florida off DST, AND also order all business, public office and school starting times be set back an hour! Same effect, and no Federal approval needed.
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