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Post by Bill2e » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:31 pm

Oh my.....what a bunch of disrespectful little punks....if I would have spoke like that to a lawmaker at that age my parents would have knocked me upside the head.

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Post by zeebaron » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:31 am

Just wait until they start setting gun businesses on fire because they didn't get their way.

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Post by firemedic2000 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:51 am

WOW Just watched a small part of this and the school students 2 girls said the ar 15 want NOT meant for self defense it was made for killing ONLY. It was not made for hunting, it was made for rapid firing. What are you going to do take 15 deer line up and go pop pop pop pop. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) this is the stupidity what they are being taught in schools today. The lack of education, no teachings on the CONSTITUTION and BILL of RIGHTS

The Bill of Rights has zero to do with hunting or self defense.

You have watched just how stupid they sounded and looked waving their arms around and acting out what they were told to do by whom ever. By the things they said, some anyways you can absolutely tell they were scripted. This is not helping those kids that were slaughtered by that mad man. It's an insult to their death.

They knew nothing about the Bill of Rights. NOTHING. The LAWS OF AMERICA, CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. Let's just violate everyones CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS screw the law. They probably never heard of it or even knows what the constitution is.

What our young Americans future leaders of this country are being taught or should I say NOT BEING TAUGHT must be addressed right away by parents or there will be no America in a GENERATION or two.

These teacher need to be held accountible for their actions. In my opinion it us criminal what they are doing. They literally hold the future of America in their hands.

Look at what they are doing with them. Creating monsters set on wiping out all of our CONSTITUTIONAL rights as soon as they figure out what a CONSTITUTION is. :-k

If you did not watch any of the video. You should. Fast forward to the young kids in red shirts and just listen to them.
Just pure rambling no regard for the CONSTITUTION or Bill of Rights. Well they did say screw your rights when it comes to my life or something to that effect. But their arguments are baseless.

I have to admitt after seeing this video I'm a little more at ease.

Plus after listening to these kids you'll understand why Bill2e and zeebaron said what they did. I totally agree with them.

Plus if you have anything gun related on your vehicle like an NRA decal or gun club decal ect..... I'd be careful. These little future terrorists might take to lighting cars on fire also or vandalizing them. Just saying.
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Post by P5 guy » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:57 am

WOW Just watched a small part of this and the school students 2 girls said the ar 15 want NOT meant for self defense it was made for killing ONLY.
What better way to defend yourself than by killing your assailants /:f
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Post by firemedic2000 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:32 am

P5 guy wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:57 am
WOW Just watched a small part of this and the school students 2 girls said the ar 15 want NOT meant for self defense it was made for killing ONLY.
What better way to defend yourself than by killing your assailants /:f
But but but you can't do that.......with an AR15 Just it was designed to kill.

NEWS flash all you little morons trying ban guns and you want an AR 15 banned because it kills.

EVERY F'ING GUN BUILT IN THE WORLD WAS DESIGN TO KILL. YOU LITTLE IDIOT'S ](*,)
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Post by jjk308 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:08 am

firemedic2000 wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:32 am

NEWS flash all you little morons trying ban guns and you want an AR 15 banned because it kills.

EVERY F'ING GUN BUILT IN THE WORLD WAS DESIGN TO KILL. YOU LITTLE IDIOT'S ](*,)
They ever consider self defense and a police force armed only with Air Soft or Paintball guns? [smilie=011.gif]
Guns are pretty simple mechanisms, with no innovations in the past 80 years or so aside from materials and manufacturing methods. They are built in the Khyber Pass area with nothing but hand tools. It'll be like trying to ban knives, clubs, rocks, yet this is exactly what the extremists gun grabbers want to do, using the same rationale as banning ARs.
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Post by REDinFL » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:40 am

As nutty Nancy let slip when she didn't think she was being recorded, and was asked about a slippery slope: "It is....we want it to be.'' Libs mentally live in a fairy tale world in which nothing ever happens to them, or they have armed guards.
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Post by zeebaron » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:02 pm

The Tampa Bay Times has really been showing its gun-grabbing socialist bias in the last few issues.

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Post by firemedic2000 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:32 pm

Zeebaron whatll you buy that paper and help keep them in business so they can donate to anti rights everything political canidates [smilie=eek.gif]

Just messing with you buddy about helping keep a paper in business that supports gun control political canidates by purchasing their paper [smilie=stirthepot.gif] [smilie=011.gif]
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Post by jjk308 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:59 am

zeebaron wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:02 pm
The Tampa Bay Times has really been showing its gun-grabbing socialist bias in the last few issues.
Not news! [smilie=011.gif] [smilie=011.gif] [smilie=011.gif]
Wasn't their original name The Leningrad Pravda, before the fall of the Soviet Union?
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Post by REDinFL » Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:10 am

No. It was "Völkischer Beobachter'', which later became the local version of Pravda (too lazy to switch to the Cyrillic keyboard)
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Post by zeebaron » Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:43 am

firemedic2000 wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:32 pm
Zeebaron whatll you buy that paper and help keep them in business so they can donate to anti rights everything political canidates [smilie=eek.gif]

Just messing with you buddy about helping keep a paper in business that supports gun control political canidates by purchasing their paper [smilie=stirthepot.gif] [smilie=011.gif]
I'm not an NRA member for similar reasons. Fortunately, the NRA isn't the only guns rights group out there (https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/top- ... tions-nra/). Unfortunately the TBT is the only paper in the area, and I need to read their classifieds section as part of my business operations.

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Post by firemedic2000 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:12 pm

zeebaron wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:43 am
firemedic2000 wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:32 pm
Zeebaron whatll you buy that paper and help keep them in business so they can donate to anti rights everything political canidates [smilie=eek.gif]

Just messing with you buddy about helping keep a paper in business that supports gun control political canidates by purchasing their paper [smilie=stirthepot.gif] [smilie=011.gif]
I'm not an NRA member for similar reasons. Fortunately, the NRA isn't the only guns rights group out there (https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/top- ... tions-nra/). Unfortunately the TBT is the only paper in the area, and I need to read their classifieds section as part of my business operations.
Sorry for long rant about several things.

I was just teasing with you about the newspaper my friend. :ber
I most certainly agree with about the NRA and I've posted my feelings about the NRA and Marion Hammer and Wayne LaPierre.

I consider the strength of NRA to be AMERICANS that embolden the organization to do what it has done and achieved. I do not consider the NRA TO BE Wayne LaPierre in any way or form.

To me Wayne LaPierre and Marion Hammer are blood sucking leeches living off of the NRA which again are the people of America. The NRA's strength comes from it's members. I am but one of many that want Wayne LaPierre and Marion Hammer gone.

These two some how have come to BELIEVE THEY ARE THE NRA and REPRESENT EVERYTHING THE NRA STANDS FOR. Again they are wrong. It's the people not them. These two have become delusional. The power they have enjoyed, that the members have LET them weld on their behalf has corrupted them.

Plus made these two extremely wealthy. Wayne LaPierre has gotten laws within the NRA passed by his henchmen that he's backed for positions in seats of power. To make it harder for him to be unseated from his throne.

Why would Wayne LaPierre do this unless he knew he was doing things that would get him kicked out as leader of the NRA.

My whole point here I agree the NRA is not the only organization for gun rights. But even with all of its faults. THE NRA IS STILL THE MOST POWERFUL and MOST FEARED BY POLITICAL LEADERS. Change within the NRA is possible to to achieve, just harder and change we will have.

But we must back the MOST POWERFUL GUN LOBBY THERE IS AT THIS POINT IN TIME. ONE THAT IS BOTH FEARED AND RESPECTED BY POLITICAL LEADERS and STILL RESPECTED BY IT'S MEMBERS.

The left wing extremists, DEMOCRATS and every one that literally hates anyone or group that believes in any type of freedom to do anything that is not controlled by the government.

These anti gun, anti rights organizations/groups/individuals believe that we should in no way or form have any kind of power like our founding fathers protected in the CONSTITUTION and BILL of RIGHTS.

Such as the freedom of speech. The Democrats have tried to limit what we could say about them when caught lieing. The Democrats have given of control of the internet to countries we all know does not believe in any kind of freedoms for it's population.

Then these simple words. How could anybody not understand their meaning. Yet the DEMOCRATS have twisted their meaning into something that is the total opposite if what they read. How I ask you they not mean anything except what they state. They are so simple in the wording
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.



infringe ok what does that word mean let's see
synonyms:restrict, limit, curb, check, encroach on; 

undermine, erode, diminish, weaken, impair, damage, compromise

"to infringed on his rights"
Am I the only one here that's seen how WE'VE LET THE COURTS TWIST THE 2nd admendment into something it was not meant to be.

We have let the government and courts do this. We gave them the power to do this by not doing nothing to stop them.

The government is openly violating the CONSTITUTION and BILL of RIGHTS.

Now our President whom I voted for and backed. I even support a few of his ideas on guns.
But when this President wants to violate the 5th and 14th admendment of due process of the people.

Then regulate how fast people can fire semi automatic weapons. NO.....limiting accessories is dangerous. Because while this administration may have good intentions. Later down the rd. A Democratic administration may say that we need to have better control on limiting how fast individuals can fire sime automatic guns. Under President Trump's ban. Therefore we need to limit magazine size to control/help regulate the number of rounds fired per minute.

It can get only worst. The President is stepping way ourside his authority by doing these things.. plus he's opening the door for all kinds of corruption by even suggesting the violation of individuals due process rights protected by law.

Because we all know we can TRUST LEO and PROSECUTORS to be honest citizens and to not break the laws they are hired to enforce. By taking away due process this is just plain crazy talk from an insane person. What next is he going to have the military duck stepping.

I do not see a hidden plan here by the president, no art of the deal. I see people jumping ship left and right and ridiculous violations of the CONSTITUTION and BILL of RIGHTS being suggested.

Don't get me wrong my President has done some good things. But it seems he's just went off the deep end. Even he must know there can be no compromise. That not one of these changes he's proposed can or will make one bit of difference at doing anything. NOTHING.

There are hundreds of laws on the books right niw not being enforced. That if they were would make a hugh difference. Yet these what he's doing are like a punishment to gun owners. For something they had no vontrol over.

Yet Several LE agencies could have stopped this shooting and the vegas shooting. Hell they could have stopped most of the shootings that have taken place.

The top LE AGENCIES HAVE TO HAVE AN ADGENDA OF SOME KIND. BECAUSE THEY'VE ALL GOTTEN PLENTY OF LEADS AND HAD PLEANTY OF TIME TO STOP THESE SHOOTINGS. BUT JUST LET THESE SHOOTING HAPPEN ANYWAYS.

Oh wait yeah they work for the DEMOCRATS and DEMOCRATS want gun control, gun bans. So if they let these mass shootings happen it furthers the DEMOCRATS adgenda.

Think that's insane. Why have the top LE AGENCIES never stopped one of these mass shootings even though they had the leads and plenty of time to do so.

THAT'S INSANE, THAT'S AN ADGENDA RIGHT THERE
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Post by jjk308 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:33 am

firemedic2000 wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:12 pm
The top LE AGENCIES HAVE TO HAVE AN ADGENDA OF SOME KIND. BECAUSE THEY'VE ALL GOTTEN PLENTY OF LEADS AND HAD PLEANTY OF TIME TO STOP THESE SHOOTINGS. BUT JUST LET THESE SHOOTING HAPPEN ANYWAYS.
When you have a choice in assigning blame between incompetence and a vast conspiracy go for incompetence every time.

You see incompetence, especially in government, all around you, every day.

Conspiracies are as rare as hen's teeth because, to quote Ben Franklin, " Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead."
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Post by firemedic2000 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:30 am

jjk308 wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:33 am
firemedic2000 wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:12 pm
The top LE AGENCIES HAVE TO HAVE AN ADGENDA OF SOME KIND. BECAUSE THEY'VE ALL GOTTEN PLENTY OF LEADS AND HAD PLEANTY OF TIME TO STOP THESE SHOOTINGS. BUT JUST LET THESE SHOOTING HAPPEN ANYWAYS.
When you have a choice in assigning blame between incompetence and a vast conspiracy go for incompetence every time.

You see incompetence, especially in government, all around you, every day.

Conspiracies are as rare as hen's teeth because, to quote Ben Franklin, " Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead."
I like that saying alot.

I know what I wrote is just rambling, don't get me wrong. But you just have to wonder sometimes.

Sure what the LE agenies did in Florida was incompetency no doubt. But these federal agencies. That get all of these leads and don't act on them and this is not the first time they've done this. It seems like it's err :ham'r incompetency on every shooting that takes place. They've known about the shooter for weeks or months but just let him do it.

Then after all of this information comes to light about the DEMOCRAT plants in the DOJ, FBI, NSA and IRS even. Doing whatever the top Democratic Leaders want them to do.

Even to the point of not prosecuting DEMOCRATS for crimes that a absolute moron knows is a criminal act. Remember how the FBI director read aloud all the crimes Hillary did and we just knew she was going down.

Then Comey said there was no evidence or something stupid to that effect. That left all of America :-k

Which brings us back to these mass shootings. The FBI has many times knew well in advance of these shooters and their intents and done nothing. Just let them kill people.

After again finding out just how controlled these agencies are by the Democrats and the Democrats need horrible gun events to happen to further their adgenda of disarming America.

Hey I'm not beyond the idea anymore of what the Democrats would do to get what they want.

Not after lynch and Holder both came out and called for an up rising of the people against President Trump. Planted the ideas for people to ban together, bleed and die if necessary fight against other Americans simply because they think differently than them.

She said that we would roll back the ideas of the founding fathers. Hows that when they want to destroy everything associated with the founding fathers.

The history of America. They do not believe in the CONSTITUTION and BILL of RIGHTS of America. The left hates everything about America.

Remember what Clinton said with the approval of her Democratic partners in crime. "If it is a constitutional right, then it, like every other constitutional right, is subject to reasonable regulation. our rights are not subject to any regulation but the DEMOCRATS seem to think so, the DEMOCRATS have 3 rights in the Bill of Rights in their crosshairs. 1st, 2nd and the 5th for right now.

They need tragedies to happen to say see we told you so. Now even I find it hard to say that they would just let these things happen. But today it's just to hard not to wonder, just how far the left would go to get what they want.

There are just a handful of these people calling the shots probably. But I learned a long time ago.
Never say never because it has away of sneaking up and biting you in the bud when you do.

So I do think there was some incompetency involved on the state level. But the government level after learning just how much the Democrats control these Top L.E. agencies and knowing their ADGENDA. Knowing that they just don't need events like this. They've got to have them happen in order to prove their point and push their adgenda. If nothing is happening they have no platform.

Watch this is not the last one either. Some dysfunctional 19 to 20 year old will do it again or some deranged man will commit a mass shooting some place. Both will have been on medication and stopped :-k . The FBI will have known about it again and did not act. Watch history will repeat itself. How many times have we heard this same old song and dance story. After the fact. No one gets held accountable for this either. Well on the local level they do. Because the people control them. But on the federal level, government level nada because we longer have control of our corrupt government.
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It isn't any sort of conspiracy, just the operation of human cupidity, careerism, sloth and lack of dedication typical in a bureaucratic organization. It is usually advantageous to promote yourself and weasel around the supposed mission of the organization than work on supporting the purpose it was established for.

I was a federal employee. Our command had been at the forefront of military aviation for decades until the bureaucratic rot set in, the dedicated and experienced leaders who came in after a massive WWII reorganization retired and the office politicians and careerists took over. It finally failed in a manner too expensive to cover up with lies and was turned into a field activity. I fought the whole process of decay but had no effect on it and ultimately hurt my career.

But this is the typical life cycle of all government agencies. The FBI and the Broward County Sheriff's Dept. are no exceptions to the rule. Unless kick-ass administrators are brought in to reform them, upsetting all the careerist apple carts by firing them they will continue to decay, with brass and personnel just going through the motions, staying out of trouble and promoting various management silliness and social initiatives to get promoted and last until retirement.

The Broward problem is obvious - Israel and probably his predecessors have wrecked the department. The FBI rot is well advanced, the abysmal performance during the 2016 election and the dead end Trump collusion and acceptance and illegal use of the Steele Dossier being prime evidence. Reform of both, starting at the top, is mandatory or it'll just get worse.
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Post by firemedic2000 » Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:04 am

I know I'm just on pain meds right now and have a great imagination [smilie=011.gif]
Speaking of which it's time for another I can see straight [smilie=pdt_xtremez_07.gif]

I hurt so bad last night I could not sleep at all. I was up all night. AGAIN [smilie=icon_eek.gif]

Besides conspiracies are so much more interesting and fun to talk about than the typical stuff, like below and well you know like the truth. They eat this sort of stuff up over on some sites whom names I'll not mention [smilie=011.gif] but like I've posted about you guys here. You all are to wise and to intellectually clever to fall for the same old same old story line being floated around. [smilie=011.gif] [smilie=cheers1.gif]
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Post by REDinFL » Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:09 pm

Rationally, jjk is right. I look at the number of ''coincidences'' and other conveniently timed occurrences. The reality likely is the political bias and desires of the politically appointed higher-ups and the lower bureaucracy functionaries protecting their ''rice bowls.''. No one will rock the boat, keeping their eyes on the prize: their pensions. Though not a conspiracy in the conventional sense of secret meetings, the commonality of goals has a similar result. And, the reality is, it's harder to define and defeat.

In some sense, I could respect a well done conspiracy as there is thought to it. It's depressing to be subjected to mere sleazes.
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Post by REDinFL » Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:28 pm

I do wish they would all, especially at an overriding Federal level, settle their regulations. I'm downsizing and eliminating guns I don't use or need. I'm 71 and a lot of things are over (like tramping through the woods or taking 30-06 recoil), and I just want a few defensive pieces. My preferences are my 1911 s. They're easier to work on and require fewer tools than my revolvers. I have a couple Smiths I'd just as soon move along but am holding in case of potentially stupid laws. Politicians count noses, and most don't know anything about the objects about which they are voting (I hate being told what to do by people who don't know what they are talking about). The hordes of screaming kids, demanding the elimination of semiautomatic weapons is a case in point. The politicians are counting votes as so many of these thoughtless useful idiots will be old enough to vote very soon. They, and others, don't realize or care about ''normal'' (not going off on the ''assault weapon'' tangent) guns which may be self loading and cocking. The demos like fenswine and nutty nancy cackle and smile, hoping for their desired result.
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Re: FL senators voting on gun control/bans today!

Post by wjbarricklow » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:53 pm

7026 passed the Senate today....
...and they think I'm compensating for something?

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