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Post by situationalray » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:15 am

Trying to convince a family member for years now to go get their permit and carry. They listen and hear my point but their main reason is theyre just afraid to shoot someone if they had to. And it doesnt help that their significant other is against guns. I told them better their life than yours and I believe you would know to shoot someone if the time ever came that you were in fear of your life. Better to have and not need than to need and not have and all that. Until they get their permint im trying to convince them its ok to have a gun in their glove compartment.

Basically want to confirm, it is legal to carry a gun in your glove compartment, in a holster, even if you dont have your permit correct?

Im sure not all police officers know this and would probably lose their s';t if they asked someone if they have a gun in the car but couldnt provide a ccwp?

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Re: Gun in glove compartment

Post by photohause » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:34 am

Loaded or unloaded weapon?
Locked or unlocked glove box÷
What new gun my dear, this old thing?

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Re: Gun in glove compartment

Post by Rentprop1 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:39 am

photohause wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:34 am
Loaded or unloaded weapon?
Locked or unlocked glove box÷
neither of that matters

securely encased and not readily accessible is how the law reads

make sure its a snapped holster
In the days of the old west a 6 shooter was as common as cell phones are today and just annoying if they go off in a theater.

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Post by flcracker » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:47 am

photohause wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:34 am
Loaded or unloaded weapon?
Locked or unlocked glove box÷
These are irrelevant issues - neither topic is addressed in the law. :ham'r
790.25 Lawful ownership, possession, and use of firearms and other weapons.
(5) POSSESSION IN PRIVATE CONVEYANCE.—Notwithstanding subsection (2), it is lawful and is not a violation of s. 790.01 for a person 18 years of age or older to possess a concealed firearm or other weapon for self-defense or other lawful purpose within the interior of a private conveyance, without a license, if the firearm or other weapon is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use. Nothing herein contained prohibits the carrying of a legal firearm other than a handgun anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful use. Nothing herein contained shall be construed to authorize the carrying of a concealed firearm or other weapon on the person. This subsection shall be liberally construed in favor of the lawful use, ownership, and possession of firearms and other weapons, including lawful self-defense as provided in s. 776.012.
AND
790.251 Protection of the right to keep and bear arms in motor vehicles for self-defense and other lawful purposes; prohibited acts; duty of public and private employers; immunity from liability; enforcement.
(1) SHORT TITLE.—This section may be cited as the “Preservation and Protection of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Motor Vehicles Act of 2008.”
(2) DEFINITIONS.—As used in this section, the term:
(a) “Parking lot” means any property that is used for parking motor vehicles and is available to customers, employees, or invitees for temporary or long-term parking or storage of motor vehicles.
(b) “Motor vehicle” means any automobile, truck, minivan, sports utility vehicle, motor home, recreational vehicle, motorcycle, motor scooter, or any other vehicle operated on the roads of this state and required to be registered under state law.
(c) “Employee” means any person who possesses a valid license issued pursuant to s. 790.06 and:
1. Works for salary, wages, or other remuneration;
2. Is an independent contractor; or
3. Is a volunteer, intern, or other similar individual for an employer.
(d) “Employer” means any business that is a sole proprietorship, partnership, corporation, limited liability company, professional association, cooperative, joint venture, trust, firm, institution, or association, or public sector entity, that has employees.
(e) “Invitee” means any business invitee, including a customer or visitor, who is lawfully on the premises of a public or private employer.
As used in this section, the term “firearm” includes ammunition and accoutrements attendant to the lawful possession and use of a firearm.

(3) LEGISLATIVE INTENT; FINDINGS.—This act is intended to codify the long-standing legislative policy of the state that individual citizens have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms, that they have a constitutional right to possess and keep legally owned firearms within their motor vehicles for self-defense and other lawful purposes, and that these rights are not abrogated by virtue of a citizen becoming a customer, employee, or invitee of a business entity. It is the finding of the Legislature that a citizen’s lawful possession, transportation, and secure keeping of firearms and ammunition within his or her motor vehicle is essential to the exercise of the fundamental constitutional right to keep and bear arms and the constitutional right of self-defense. The Legislature finds that protecting and preserving these rights is essential to the exercise of freedom and individual responsibility. The Legislature further finds that no citizen can or should be required to waive or abrogate his or her right to possess and securely keep firearms and ammunition locked within his or her motor vehicle by virtue of becoming a customer, employee, or invitee of any employer or business establishment within the state, unless specifically required by state or federal law.
(4) PROHIBITED ACTS.—No public or private employer may violate the constitutional rights of any customer, employee, or invitee as provided in paragraphs (a)-(e):
(a) No public or private employer may prohibit any customer, employee, or invitee from possessing any legally owned firearm when such firearm is lawfully possessed and locked inside or locked to a private motor vehicle in a parking lot and when the customer, employee, or invitee is lawfully in such area.
(b) No public or private employer may violate the privacy rights of a customer, employee, or invitee by verbal or written inquiry regarding the presence of a firearm inside or locked to a private motor vehicle in a parking lot or by an actual search of a private motor vehicle in a parking lot to ascertain the presence of a firearm within the vehicle. Further, no public or private employer may take any action against a customer, employee, or invitee based upon verbal or written statements of any party concerning possession of a firearm stored inside a private motor vehicle in a parking lot for lawful purposes. A search of a private motor vehicle in the parking lot of a public or private employer to ascertain the presence of a firearm within the vehicle may only be conducted by on-duty law enforcement personnel, based upon due process and must comply with constitutional protections.
(c) No public or private employer shall condition employment upon either:
1. The fact that an employee or prospective employee holds or does not hold a license issued pursuant to s. 790.06; or
2. Any agreement by an employee or a prospective employee that prohibits an employee from keeping a legal firearm locked inside or locked to a private motor vehicle in a parking lot when such firearm is kept for lawful purposes.
(d) No public or private employer shall prohibit or attempt to prevent any customer, employee, or invitee from entering the parking lot of the employer’s place of business because the customer’s, employee’s, or invitee’s private motor vehicle contains a legal firearm being carried for lawful purposes, that is out of sight within the customer’s, employee’s, or invitee’s private motor vehicle.
(e) No public or private employer may terminate the employment of or otherwise discriminate against an employee, or expel a customer or invitee for exercising his or her constitutional right to keep and bear arms or for exercising the right of self-defense as long as a firearm is never exhibited on company property for any reason other than lawful defensive purposes.
This subsection applies to all public sector employers, including those already prohibited from regulating firearms under the provisions of s. 790.33.

(5) DUTY OF CARE OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE EMPLOYERS; IMMUNITY FROM LIABILITY.—
(a) When subject to the provisions of subsection (4), a public or private employer has no duty of care related to the actions prohibited under such subsection.
(b) A public or private employer is not liable in a civil action based on actions or inactions taken in compliance with this section. The immunity provided in this subsection does not apply to civil actions based on actions or inactions of public or private employers that are unrelated to compliance with this section.
(c) Nothing contained in this section shall be interpreted to expand any existing duty, or create any additional duty, on the part of a public or private employer, property owner, or property owner’s agent.
(6) ENFORCEMENT.—The Attorney General shall enforce the protections of this act on behalf of any customer, employee, or invitee aggrieved under this act. If there is reasonable cause to believe that the aggrieved person’s rights under this act have been violated by a public or private employer, the Attorney General shall commence a civil or administrative action for damages, injunctive relief and civil penalties, and such other relief as may be appropriate under the provisions of s. 760.51, or may negotiate a settlement with any employer on behalf of any person aggrieved under the act. However, nothing in this act shall prohibit the right of a person aggrieved under this act to bring a civil action for violation of rights protected under the act. In any successful action brought by a customer, employee, or invitee aggrieved under this act, the court shall award all reasonable personal costs and losses suffered by the aggrieved person as a result of the violation of rights under this act. In any action brought pursuant to this act, the court shall award all court costs and attorney’s fees to the prevailing party.
(7) EXCEPTIONS.—The prohibitions in subsection (4) do not apply to:
(a) Any school property as defined and regulated under s. 790.115.
(b) Any correctional institution regulated under s. 944.47 or chapter 957.
(c) Any property where a nuclear-powered electricity generation facility is located.
(d) Property owned or leased by a public or private employer or the landlord of a public or private employer upon which are conducted substantial activities involving national defense, aerospace, or homeland security.
(e) Property owned or leased by a public or private employer or the landlord of a public or private employer upon which the primary business conducted is the manufacture, use, storage, or transportation of combustible or explosive materials regulated under state or federal law, or property owned or leased by an employer who has obtained a permit required under 18 U.S.C. s. 842 to engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in explosive materials on such property.
(f) A motor vehicle owned, leased, or rented by a public or private employer or the landlord of a public or private employer.
(g) Any other property owned or leased by a public or private employer or the landlord of a public or private employer upon which possession of a firearm or other legal product by a customer, employee, or invitee is prohibited pursuant to any federal law, contract with a federal government entity, or general law of this state.
History.—s. 1, ch. 2008-7.
1Note.—Section 15, ch. 2011-119, provides that “[t]he amendments made to ss. 509.144 and 932.701, Florida Statutes, and the creation of s. 901.1503, Florida Statutes, by this act do not affect or impede the provisions of s. 790.251, Florida Statutes, or any other protection or right guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.”
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Post by dammitgriff » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:51 am

You’re not allowed to have a loaded handgun within easy reach for immediate use unless you have your CC license.
As was already stated, it must be either locked up inside the vehicle or separated from ammunition (gun inside, ammo/magazines locked up in trunk or separate case inside cab of vehicle)...which totally negates keeping the firearm in the vehicle for self-protection.
Edited to add this: I’m prohibited from bringing any firearm, ammo and even primers into the parking lot of my employer, who leases the property from a private owner but engages in contract work for Uncle Sam (Section 7d, above). No knives or machetes, either, which I used to carry in my truck all the time for when I’m in the woods.
How’s that for government over-reach?
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Post by N4KVE » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:14 pm

And who here actually removes their protection before going into the post office? Permits are so easy to get, there's no excuse to not get one. Many people I speak to at the shows with a permit have no desire to carry. They just want the ability to make a purchase, & take it home that day. Just get the permit. The classes take photos, & prints. You just mail the $$. Simple. No excuse not to. GARY.
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Post by MAVRIK » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:34 pm

On another note; if you’re going to keep your Rosco in the glove compartment(whether u have a ccw or not), keep your registration and insurance in another compartment.
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Post by Taco » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:05 pm

Rentprop1 wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:39 am
photohause wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:34 am
Loaded or unloaded weapon?
Locked or unlocked glove box÷
neither of that matters

securely encased and not readily accessible is how the law reads

make sure its a snapped holster
The snapped holster isn't required unless you are driving around with the glovebox open. The basic rule is you need to do a 'something' to make the gun ready to fire- unzip a bag, open a compartment, unsnap a holster.

Crown Royal bag is a no go per Mr. G's book several versions back- you can access the trigger and fire through without removal from the bag.

Get the license and you're good- as long as it's concealed.
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Post by Rentprop1 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:11 pm

I just remember when Casual got snagged it was because of the un snapped holster thing , maybe he will weigh in here, and yes always better to get the CWP
In the days of the old west a 6 shooter was as common as cell phones are today and just annoying if they go off in a theater.

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Post by TC6969 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:13 pm

In before "You must perform 3 clear and separate movements" [smilie=011.gif]
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Post by Taco » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:32 pm

Rentprop1 wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:11 pm
I just remember when Casual got snagged it was because of the un snapped holster thing , maybe he will weigh in here, and yes always better to get the CWP
I think it was under the seat...
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Post by Kender » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:37 pm

dammitgriff wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:51 am
You’re not allowed to have a loaded handgun within easy reach for immediate use unless you have your CC license.
As was already stated, it must be either locked up inside the vehicle or separated from ammunition (gun inside, ammo/magazines locked up in trunk or separate case inside cab of vehicle)...which totally negates keeping the firearm in the vehicle for self-protection.
Edited to add this: I’m prohibited from bringing any firearm, ammo and even primers into the parking lot of my employer, who leases the property from a private owner but engages in contract work for Uncle Sam (Section 7d, above). No knives or machetes, either, which I used to carry in my truck all the time for when I’m in the woods.
How’s that for government over-reach?
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Please be more specific. Not readily available for immediate use is not accurate. Securely encased is the requirement. Loaded or unloaded is not a requirement of the statute. So loaded in the center console (that can be closed containing the gun) or even in a closed shoe box on the passenger seat is legal. A long gun is legal anywhere in the vehicle, visible or not, loaded or not.

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Re: Gun in glove compartment

Post by photohause » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:52 pm

Rentprop1 wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:39 am
photohause wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:34 am
Loaded or unloaded weapon?
Locked or unlocked glove box÷
neither of that matters

securely encased and not readily accessible is how the law reads

make sure its a snapped holster
Thanks for the clarification. Another state I lived in had different laws, thats why I questions.
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Post by 45caldan » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:55 pm

MAVRIK wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:34 pm
On another note; if you’re going to keep your Rosco in the glove compartment(whether u have a ccw or not), keep your registration and insurance in another compartment.
Very good point!
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Post by situationalray » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:54 pm

N4KVE wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:14 pm
And who here actually remover their protection before going into the post office? Permits are so easy to get, there's no excuse to not get one. Many people I speak to at the shows with a permit have no desire to carry. They just want the ability to make a purchase, & take it home that day. Just get the permit. The classes take photos, & prints. You just mail the $$. Simple. No excuse not to. GARY.
i already know this. Dont clutter up the thread please

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Post by #1Glock30 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:18 pm

dammitgriff wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:51 am
As was already stated, it must be either locked up inside the vehicle or separated from ammunition (gun inside, ammo/magazines locked up in trunk or separate case inside cab of vehicle)...
R/Griff
=:wvr This is erroneous information. It may be that way in other states but not FL. The gun does not have to be locked in a compartment with ammo seperated. In an unlocked compartment with a snapped holster, loaded and one in the chamber you are good to go. But, I back getting a concealed permit to save time and trouble.
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Post by Casual » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:28 pm

Taco wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:32 pm
Rentprop1 wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:11 pm
I just remember when Casual got snagged it was because of the un snapped holster thing , maybe he will weigh in here, and yes always better to get the CWP
I think it was under the seat...
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Post by TeeJay » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:32 pm

TC6969 wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:13 pm
In before "You must perform 3 clear and separate movements" [smilie=011.gif]
Damn i would love to have $ for every time someone told me that garbage.

Rent is right, “securely encased” and “not ready for immediate use” is what matters. How thats interpereted at the time. Ehh. Just assume the person hassling you about it isnt trying to be freinds with you and CYA.

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Post by madman » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:06 pm

790.25 is pretty simple and straightforward. First, it doesn't apply to CWL holders. It has to be securely encased or not readily available for immediate use. You can put it in your Igloo cooler if you wish. You can't have it under your thigh or beside your seat.

Another one that throws people off is for CWL holders and that's the one about about having it "on or about your person"
So, you can have it holstered and concealed... how about on the passenger seat with a towel thrown over it?
It's as good as concealed with your shirt. It's "about" your person and it's concealed.
I wouldn't want to test it, but according to the law as I interpet it, if you're a CWL holder, it's legal.

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Re: Gun in glove compartment

Post by Rentprop1 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:35 pm

photohause wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:52 pm


Thanks for the clarification. Another state I lived in had different laws, thats why I questions.
Please don't take this the wrong way but no one really cares how they do it in other states [smilie=011.gif]
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