11.5" AR SBR without a tax stamp and its legal!

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11.5" AR SBR without a tax stamp and its legal!

Post by Allme » Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:29 am

Anyone else following this?

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http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018 ... r-11-5-ar/


Franklin Armory just announced the Reformation – an 11.5 inch barreled AR15 with a stock that does not require an NFA Tax Stamp. Would you like to know the secret? Are you ready? Lean in really close to your computer/mobile device/teletype machine:

I HAVE NO CLUE HOW THE REFORMATION GET AROUND BEING AN NFA FIREARM.

But I made a few guesses, as did other staff here at TFB. Here goes:

Smoothbore barrel – averts rifle definition?
26” OAL with a barrel less than 16” – averts rifle definition?
One pull of the trigger, one round fires – averts rifle definition?

As it stands now, we will all be forced to make guesses for about a week – Franklin Armory isn’t releasing any information until the Industry Range Day on the Sunday before SHOT. So let’s hear your guesses in the comments section below.

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Re: 11.5" AR SBR without a tax stamp and its legal!

Post by Rentprop1 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:48 am

Allme wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:29 am
Anyone else following this?
seems like everyone but you, its being talked about everywhere ](*,)

marketing genius if you ask me, make something like that and let the public create a buzz of free advertising
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Post by TC6969 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:48 pm

Rentprop1 wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:48 am

marketing genius if you ask me, make something like that and let the public create a buzz of free advertising
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Post by Rentprop1 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:07 am

That's only because the gays thought they could take off the handle part and ride around on it like a unicycle
In the days of the old west a 6 shooter was as common as cell phones are today and just annoying if they go off in a theater.

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Post by Srasel79 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:46 am

Rentprop1 wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:07 am
That's only because the gays thought they could take off the handle part and ride around on it like a unicycle
Speaking from experience are we??? [smilie=popcorn.gif]

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Post by Rentprop1 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:03 pm

Srasel79 wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:46 am
Rentprop1 wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:07 am
That's only because the gays thought they could take off the handle part and ride around on it like a unicycle
Speaking from experience are we??? [smilie=popcorn.gif]
Capt Steinbrenner told me [smilie=011.gif]
In the days of the old west a 6 shooter was as common as cell phones are today and just annoying if they go off in a theater.

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Post by Casual » Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:33 pm

Rentprop1 wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:03 pm
Srasel79 wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:46 am
Rentprop1 wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:07 am
That's only because the gays thought they could take off the handle part and ride around on it like a unicycle
Speaking from experience are we??? [smilie=popcorn.gif]
Capt Steinbrenner told me [smilie=011.gif]
Obviously, he's your partner
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Post by Lilwoody » Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:43 am

Smooth bore shooting rifled flechettes. A mini Abrams gun.. Pretty damn smart. I just wonder how expensive the ammo will be.

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Post by Waldo1 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:36 am

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Post by captain steinbrenner » Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:59 am

Casual wrote:
Rentprop1 wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:03 pm
Srasel79 wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:46 am
Rentprop1 wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:07 am
That's only because the gays thought they could take off the handle part and ride around on it like a unicycle
Speaking from experience are we??? [smilie=popcorn.gif]
Capt Steinbrenner told me [smilie=011.gif]
Obviously, he's your partner
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Post by Casual » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:52 am

captain steinbrenner wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:59 am
Casual wrote:
Rentprop1 wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:03 pm
Srasel79 wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:46 am


Speaking from experience are we??? [smilie=popcorn.gif]
Capt Steinbrenner told me [smilie=011.gif]
Obviously, he's your partner
Don’t be jealous, Rent couldn’t bear you being away all the time and the rest is history.


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Post by Rentprop1 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:55 pm

He likes to give mustache rides.
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Post by lakelandman » Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:50 am

Ugly gun!! [smilie=popcorn.gif]
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Post by Allme » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:06 am

WTF happened to this thread? I step away for 5 minutes and it turns into gays riding unicycles and Rent looking for a date? Da' fuk, can't leave you guys alone for a minute.

Now all that non-sense aside has it been determined how they are doing this?

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Post by Taco » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:32 am

Allme wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:06 am
Now all that non-sense aside has it been determined how they are doing this?
Please correct this, I know enough to stay away from NFA risky stuff, but it's not my strongest subject. I think the hoop jumping is something like this:
It's smoothbore- not a rifle
It's less than 18" barrel- not a shotgun
Has a stock- not a pistol
Small caliber- not an aow

Leaves it in the designation of 'firearm'. And they have special rifled rounds that it will fire to get some stability for flight.
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Post by firemedic2000 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:02 pm

A rifle of coarse has rifling that twist, say like a 1 in 7 twist. What they done is with the rifling. It's straight. No twisting. Straight lands and grooves. They had a proprietary barrel made with straight rifling.

This some how makes it legal as it does not qualify as rifling under ATFE guide lines thus this weapon does not fall under the definition of a rifle. Grey area
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Post by N4KVE » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:29 pm

But if there's no rifling, the bullet won't spin, & it will be useless. GARY.

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Post by 870Mike » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:56 pm

N4KVE wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:29 pm
But if there's no rifling, the bullet won't spin, & it will be useless. GARY.
Tell that to the Nazi's...

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Post by molivo » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:28 pm

Franklin's already confirmed it will be rifled barrel and binary trigger. So short of blowing someone reallyyyy high up the food chain at atf I'm baffled how they pushed this through...
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Post by Rentprop1 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:54 pm

We will all know in a day or two has the reports from SHOT start to surface

Early word from folks that are arriving today and those who know people in the Firearms industry are leaking that it's designed as a straight rifle barrel similar to old muskets from the 1500s... this is not consider rifling and I guess does not make it a rifle under BATF definition......allowing the binary trigger, aceptance of a stock and while firing a standard 223 bullet , the short barrel as accuracy after 40 to 50 yards is moot.....one person described it as firing a nuckle ball out of the barrel
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