11.5" AR SBR without a tax stamp and its legal!

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Re: 11.5" AR SBR without a tax stamp and its legal!

Post by 870Mike » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:29 am

Word is it has to do with barrel length/OAL, and what configuration it is built from.
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Post by molivo » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:57 am

https://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2018/01 ... show-2018/
Outdoorhub is saying it is in fact rifled....TFB put up an article saying it didn't...then retracted saying they don't know for sure.

Well know tomorrow.
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Re: 11.5" AR SBR without a tax stamp and its legal!

Post by TC6969 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:17 am

Here it is guys! (Cue theme from Rocky or Star Wars or something)

http://www.recoilweb.com/franklin-armor ... 33042.html
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Post by N4KVE » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:48 am

Straight rifling, no twist. While I'm not a fan of the arm brace, I'd take it over this. YUCK. GARY.

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Re: 11.5" AR SBR without a tax stamp and its legal!

Post by 870Mike » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:54 am

TC6969 wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:17 am
Here it is guys! (Cue theme from Rocky or Star Wars or something)

http://www.recoilweb.com/franklin-armor ... 33042.html
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Re: 11.5" AR SBR without a tax stamp and its legal!

Post by Jonathanw » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:17 pm

3-5 inch groups at 50 yards ? #-o

Buy a bullpup instead [-(

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Post by Rentprop1 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:13 pm

Jonathanw wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:17 pm


The great Flop of 2018 , starting the year with a fizzle
remember this, we haven't seen MSRP ....YET.... the appeal was to those cheap fvcks too stupid to pay the $ 200 NFA tax...I'm betting its still gonna be expensive $ 999 range

they haven't shot it long range or with a can on it ....YET ....straight rifling is good for maybe 40-50 yds, so this is really only good for home defense and then why not a shotgun or pistol or other ??

Haven't shot it with a silencer, so the first guy who gets a bullet to tumble or a baffle strike and this unique gun is gonna be front page as junk

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Re: 11.5" AR SBR without a tax stamp and its legal!

Post by TC6969 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:22 pm

I don't get this.

It still has lands and grooves right?

So if the lands and grooves aren't machined in a spiral, then it isn't a rifled barrel?
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Re: 11.5" AR SBR without a tax stamp and its legal!

Post by NorincoKid » Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:03 pm

Link above wrote:With all that said, we believe the finished product will offer better options for the rail and a proprietary ammunition design from Franklin to aid in stabilization while the projectile is in flight.
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So, a small copper jacketed version of the nerf football?

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Post by Jonathanw » Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:38 pm

NorincoKid wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:03 pm
Link above wrote:With all that said, we believe the finished product will offer better options for the rail and a proprietary ammunition design from Franklin to aid in stabilization while the projectile is in flight.
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So, a small copper jacketed version of the nerf football?

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A nerf football has probably better accuracy at 50 yards [smilie=011.gif]

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Re: 11.5" AR SBR without a tax stamp and its legal!

Post by firemedic2000 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:52 pm

Imagine if you would your at a gun range and your trying to explain to an ATFE agent not familiar with the definition of what a rifle is and that you do not have a SBR because the rifling in barrel is straight not twisted like regular rifling. He'll look at you like your an idiot.

It's not uncommon for all agents to actually know all the laws they enforce.
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Re: 11.5" AR SBR without a tax stamp and its legal!

Post by molivo » Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:50 pm

They lost me at proprietary ammo...
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Re: 11.5" AR SBR without a tax stamp and its legal!

Post by Allme » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:02 am

molivo wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:50 pm
They lost me at proprietary ammo...
+1 to that.

I think between this and the binary trigger Franklin is doing a good job however @ showing just how ridiculous the NFA is.

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Zeroed my $2000 Non SBR at 25 yards [smilie=011.gif]

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Re: 11.5" AR SBR without a tax stamp and its legal!

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Jonathanw wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:53 am

Zeroed my $2000 Non SBR at 25 yards [smilie=011.gif]
That reminds me of the gun "expert" who tried to explain the 5.56 tumbling bullet to me.

When asked to explain the 39 perfectly round holes in my target, he said that I was exactly the right distance from the target, and it was like throwing a knife.

According to him, you just need to step back about 5' [smilie=011.gif]
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Re: 11.5" AR SBR without a tax stamp and its legal!

Post by molivo » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:48 pm

Allme wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:02 am
molivo wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:50 pm
They lost me at proprietary ammo...
+1 to that.

I think between this and the binary trigger Franklin is doing a good job however @ showing just how ridiculous the NFA is.
That I'd agree with...full autos restricted, but you can own a bump stock or binary trigger that accomplish the same effect. Can't have a SBR without a tax stamp, but you can slap a sig brace on a pistol or buy this thing and accomplish the same effect. Shotguns have to have a 18" or greater barrel...unless you buy a Mossberg shockwave or tac14.


If the government wants to have some gun reform, they should start with getting rid of the nfa which has been utterly pointless and hasn't done anything but aggravated people with an antiquated system of compliance for checks and balances that yield zero effect on crime rates.
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Re: 11.5" AR SBR without a tax stamp and its legal!

Post by jjk308 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:01 am

molivo wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:48 pm

If the government wants to have some gun reform, they should start with getting rid of the nfa which has been utterly pointless and hasn't done anything but aggravated people with an antiquated system of compliance for checks and balances that yield zero effect on crime rates.
+ MANY The NFA was based on nothing but yellow journalism, sensational newspaper headlines about Prohibition era gangsters. It has killed a lot people and put many more in prison, or blighted their lives, with ZERO favorable effects on crime. It's actually promoted the things it claims to "ban" by making them the "forbidden fruit", regardless of their utility in the real world.

Time for this stupidity to end!
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Re: 11.5" AR SBR without a tax stamp and its legal!

Post by Rentprop1 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:04 am

while I despise Guns and Roses, this seems fitting [smilie=011.gif]
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