Lessons Learned from IRMA

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Re: Lessons Learned from IRMA

Post by Taco » Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:51 am

I spent down a lot of my supplies prior to vacation... I mean who gets frozen food before vacation? I got back at the beginning of panic buying, and it was really too late for a lot of stuff. Next time I make sure my fridge is full and don't spend down.
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Re: Lessons Learned from IRMA

Post by wjbarricklow » Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:50 am

For another lessons learned, I walked through a walmart right after it opened. These are the things that were not available:

Water
Chips
Bread
Canned food
Coolers
Batteries
Duct tape
Camping stoves
Propane
Gas cans
Ammo

My oldest son and I chuckled a little because these are all things that we happen to have at the house all the time, and that we kind of take for granted. We honestly don't do s big run at the store during a hurricane.

The water, BTW... we have bottled water at the house for convenience and taste. But before bottled water became popular, we drank well water. All you really have to do is fill bottles, jugs, etc. for drinking water, and fill your bathtub with water to wash and cook with. And if it ever got really scarce you can take water out of a canal and filter it or boil it.

I don't get the wild panic buying of water before a storm...
...and they think I'm compensating for something?

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Re: Lessons Learned from IRMA

Post by captain steinbrenner » Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:51 am

I have a generator that is feeding the whole house thru the dryer plug, we can run everything but the A/C and the stove so I'm getting two portable A/C and call it a day.
The only thing I'm missing is A/C.
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Re: Lessons Learned from IRMA

Post by Cloaked Dagger » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:27 am

Orlando Paulitician wrote:
Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:11 am
Funny how all the people on this forum got some great lessons learned on individual responsibilities of preparedness from Irma.

A friend of mine who's a Republican lobbyist; he had no extra food preparations, and relied on other people for food (he stayed at another friend's house who's a DoD contractor). He had no generator and relied on other people for that. So he took no self-responsibility at all, and yet learned nothing like the comments stated here. In fact, the only thing he did learn, was that it's important to raise taxes so that roads can be more quickly maintained.

As if roads stop hurricanes or that newly built roads that are the lowest point on the plane don't get flooded. Ironic the different perspectives. When one's livelihood depends on tax revenue, one can only fathom solutions to one's problems that involves tax revenue.
All that relying on other people to take care of him. Are you sure he is a republican lobbyist and not a Bernie sanders lobbyist?
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Post by tector » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:48 am

Have you seen the GOP recently? They can't get jackshit done. So why would this surprise you?
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Re: Lessons Learned from IRMA

Post by jjk308 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:14 am

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Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:27 am

All that relying on other people to take care of him. Are you sure he is a republican lobbyist and not a Bernie sanders lobbyist?
Typical of political gofers and operatives of all denominations. They live in the unreal bubble of Political World, don't realize it's just a pale reflection of the real thing, and think their knowledge of the ins and outs of government lets them avoid all problems including hurricanes.

As for lessons learned I was, if anything, over prepared. Only lack was D cell batteries for the radios - plugging a radio into the generator line was a PITA. Also I'm definitely getting a 4 stroke generator next time. The old Chinese Cheapo "Fotma" 2 stroke ran like a champ, kept the food safe, ran medical gear and started right up. But it stinks even at a 50 to 1 mix and on the last day it started to leak dirty oil - probably a bad crankcase seal or gasket, dried out from long storage and only an annual test run at most.

In our 25 years in Florida this has only been the 2nd power outage of more than a day, so a big generator or whole house standby isn't cost effective.
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Re: Lessons Learned from IRMA

Post by Allme » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:37 am

We ran three houses off (1) Coleman 6350: (4) refrigerators (two small and two large), 4-7 lights, a bunch of fans and 3 TVs along with the cable box (internet didn't go down). We had a 275 gallon water tote I filled just before the storm, as luck would have it our water supply wasn't contaminated. I started with (3) 5 gallon gas tanks and the generator was already filled. Power wasn't really an issue (just no A/C which SUCKED!), I just refilled gas cans when I had the chance. We had plenty of food and cooked on our propane oven/stove.

I have a 7.5 Onan that should power all three houses (w/ AC) that needs work, I think I will put the time into that soon.

I felt the worst for the poor bastards across the street without a generator.

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Post by Trouter3 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:39 am

Only thing I can add is this thread ought to be kept as a manual on how to survive a hurricane, should be mandatory reading for all Floridians, some comprehensive ideas on
How to approach and survive these horrific storms ....

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Post by bmup » Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:10 am

One layer of once opened zip-lock bags on top of the ice will keep your cooler from leaking all the cold out thru the lid. Opening the bag once leaves a thin layer of air inside which is the actual insulation.

5 gallon collapsible water jugs are handy & fold back up into their stackable boxes for storage. https://www.amazon.com/Coghlans-Collaps ... water+jugs

Water bag that fits in your bathtub with siphon pump - holds 100 gallons: https://www.amazon.com/WaterBOB-Emergen ... op?ie=UTF8
Works really well for refilling smaller containers for kitchen etc.

Bulk chemical light sticks in many colors: https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i ... ticks+bulk
Some will stay lit for 12 hrs. I always keep some in the truck too.

MREs are great hurricane food but loaded with sodium which I can't do anymore. They will still be good for barter or to give out to those less fortunate.

Freeze-dried meals are the perfect hurricane food & will last 25 years in a closet. They require 2 cups of water to make but if you boil it first, there's your purification too. Most come packaged in plastic buckets which are handy for other stuff too.

All in all, the best thing I learned over the years is to check all my hurricane supplies at the beginning of hurricane season & restock everything right then. Then I don't have to worry about it till next year.
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Post by M14man » Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:16 am

Though I didn't really suffer, I was duly impressed by the big Coleman type coolers. We had different sizes which we filled with bags of ice.(Still bagged) and one with ice and water. We threw our cans of beverages in, beer,soda, water. When all power came on three days later I don't think 50% of the ice had melted and the ice water had to be 32°. Only issue is that buying ice was impossible 48 hrs before the storm. My brother had frozen about 10 - one gallon ziplocks filled with water in his horizontal freezer, which gave us a head start.

In the past I had filled 2- 40 gal metal garbage cans with water in case the livestock well lost power. I added a clear 40-50 gallon liner and thus had 80 gallons of water. Could be done for flushing too in well country if power fails.

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Post by zeebaron » Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:21 am

wjbarricklow wrote:
Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:50 am
And if it ever got really scarce you can take water out of a canal and filter it or boil it.
A long time ago I drank water out of a retention pond that was filtered through a Berkefeld filter and it tasted just fine, better than the tap water here. Probably a bad idea because of the lawn chemicals and whatever else has concentrated in that pond over the years, though...lol. But it did have activated charcoal.

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Post by fish » Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:31 am

I normally get 4-8 spamm calls on the cell phone every day.
None since the hurricane.
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Post by cubanstang50 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:45 am

I never lost power. I was working and house was empty from sat to monday night.

Just this morning i bought my friends 15000/22500 generator for $1500 first owner. Do i need that much? No! But i can run everything in my house now. I will be feeding it through the main box. The 20g of fuel i had is a joke and am buying a 275g tote to keep full from Aug to Oct. No more of this bullshit what if i loose power senario. The food part is not a problem. I also run the 2 stoves off propane. Got a 100g cylinder connected, 2 bbq tanks and a spare 200g cylinder empty that now i have found a use for it other than thinking of taking it to my buddys ranch and blowing it up lol.

We also take for granted ice. My RTIC cooler had 50% ice left over after 7 days of it being inside the house. It didnt get open at all till yesturday that i went to throw it away. Pretty much everything we need has been said already. The problem is having the space to store all this s';t?!?!

Almost forgot, also adding a 30-50g diesel tank to truck. Like always diesel lines are way smaller.
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Post by Gmountain » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:40 pm

We keep about3 months worth of MREs on hand and 6 months of freeze dried stuff from Honeyville Grain. Lesson- it was too hot to eat it. We didn't eat much, and it was all junk.

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Post by neverenoughguns » Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:07 pm

Lesson: we need to install a system to keep our patio doors from swinging open all night in the storm. The regular latches did not do the trick.

Also, hurricane shutters are great but I need to buy a few clear or semi clear sections so we can see what is going on outside. We were blind to weather developments.

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Post by BIG JOE » Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:11 pm

Prepare in June. Once the panic starts you don't want to be part of it.
LED Lanterns. I have 20 flashlights of all different types. That's great if you have 3 hands.
Put a lantern on a table and sit back. Now you can use your own 2 hands.
Get an LED light that straps on your head. 2 hands and you can point the light wherever you need it. Can't find batteries? Toys are us. Those kids toys use a lot of batteries.
Fuel I store 40 gallons in those metal safety cans like the ones you used in shop class. Use fuel stabilizer and then next year run it in the truck. Then refill the cans for next year.
Most of the other stuff is already posted. Remember In God we trust , But cash is king.
They don't take checks or cards if there is no power or the network is down.
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Post by Orlando Paulitician » Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:02 pm

Cloaked Dagger wrote:
Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:27 am
Orlando Paulitician wrote:
Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:11 am
Funny how all the people on this forum got some great lessons learned on individual responsibilities of preparedness from Irma.

A friend of mine who's a Republican lobbyist; he had no extra food preparations, and relied on other people for food (he stayed at another friend's house who's a DoD contractor). He had no generator and relied on other people for that. So he took no self-responsibility at all, and yet learned nothing like the comments stated here. In fact, the only thing he did learn, was that it's important to raise taxes so that roads can be more quickly maintained.

As if roads stop hurricanes or that newly built roads that are the lowest point on the plane don't get flooded. Ironic the different perspectives. When one's livelihood depends on tax revenue, one can only fathom solutions to one's problems that involves tax revenue.
All that relying on other people to take care of him. Are you sure he is a republican lobbyist and not a Bernie sanders lobbyist?
Nope, he's a lifelong registered Republican.

He lobbies the state government on behalf of a particular county's public school system. Lifelong Republican. Supports higher taxes, more government spending for infrastructure and public schools. As if he couldn't be any more of a closeted socialist.
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Post by George W » Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:57 pm

We went without power for 5 days. The first 3 were without a generator. My neighbor bought a new generator and loaned me his old one in exchange for me loaning him my extra window shaker a/c unit.. I always said that I would buy one , one day but never have. Going without A/C had never been a problem for me until I started taking BP meds. Now, I can't ever seem to get cool enough. I will be buying a genset in the next few days once stocks have been restored.

What worked:
*I prepped ahead of time and bought 100 lbs of ice.
*Anything raw was moved to the back freezer (chest type) and covered with a layer of ice. It didn't get opened for 3 days, and nothing thawed.
*Cooked food stayed in the house freezer with 2 bags of ice.
*Bottled water and stuff that I wanted to be cool, stayed in the fridge portion with 2 bags of ice.
*Things that needed to stay cold, but not frozen, yet still accessible, went into the YETI cooler.
*I had 2 good Coleman LED lanterns and plenty of batteries (1 set of batteries lasted the whole time due to conservation efforts.)
*Plenty of canned goods.
*We had plenty of candles.
*The borrowed generator was large enough to run a window shaker A/C, my freezer, my fridge, and charge cell/laptop batteries (only ran at night.
*Bags were packed with 2 days each of essentials near the door, ready to go in case we had to go in a hurry.
*Multiple, hardened shelter sights were identified and communicated to everyone.
*Guns/ammo most familiar with each family member were readied.
*Roles for everyone identified.
*High quality walkie talkies..... I can't say enough good things about having them. A trusted neighbor a couple of blocks away has one as well. Being able to communicate during and before the storm gave a sense of calm. It also helped to know that help was seconds away if needed.
*A high quality marine radio (portable.) Although the local police doesn't monitor emergency CB channels, the CG verified reception even with me inland. They could relay a request for help if needed.
*My Porter Cable radio.... it takes the same 20v Lithium as my drill/impact and I have 4 batteries. At low volume on AM, it plays continuous for about 20 hours on a single battery.
*I had 60 lbs of charcoal ready to go.

What sucked:
*The time without a generator sucked. even though I live in a house built before the advent of a/c, it was friggin hot.
*Fuel consumption was a definite issue. The two nights I ran the generator cost about 15 gallons of fuel. At almost $3/gallon, it was insane.
*The generator I used (and the rest of my neighbors apparently) was crazy noisey.
*Candle lights and lanterns don't cast enough real light.
*Like everyone else, I didn't feel like eating anything hot. I wished I bought more cereals.
*I was at work during the day and able to charge my phone. My family was at home all day and had theirs go dead a lot.


Lessons learned:
I will be investing in an inverter type generator, even if it means giving up the ability to power more items. The generator my neighbor bought was a Predator 3500 from HF. It runs STUPID QUIET. It is also extremely fuel efficient, only consuming 2 gallons of gas/8 hours. He ran some lights, the window shaker I loaned him, and his refrigerator. I will likely buy two of the 2000 watt Predator generators. I can run them both all day to power the main things I need during the day, and then scale back to one for running the window a/c all night. They can be coupled together if need be.

Candles and lanterns are nice, but I want better lighting inside my home. I am looking at LED strip lights and using my solar battery charger to keep a deep cell battery topped off (and to run my FIOS router.)
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Post by zeebaron » Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:40 pm

George W wrote:
Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:57 pm
(and to run my FIOS router.)
Power consumption to both the outside fiber to coax converter box and the G1100 router runs about 18 watts in total.

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Post by TeeJay » Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:26 pm

things i did right=
Great running 5600 watt generator(have a 2nd 5600 and a 8000 watt too.) never had to pull more than 1 time to start
Heavy 10 gauge 100' drop cord. Get em on ebay for under 100$
Window a/c unit
Ass pile of fresh gas
Plenty of food and drink
Goodies for my 2 year old son to keep him entertained and fed.
All vehicles on full tank
Extra oil for oil changes on generator
Extra parts and supplies, had to fix a generator, chainsaw for freinds and would have fixed a 2nd generator if the guys power hadnt come back on in time.
Boarded up all windows/doors and storing the panels for the next storm
Headlights! Couple of them, extra batteries, all rechargeable

Things i will be doing=
Downloading all the cartoons my son likes and movies/other for wife and i
Buy a digital tv antenna
Buy a 2nd window a/c unit, one for my sons room so he can sleep in there instead of our room
Buy more box fans
Put in a generator switch so i can safely go right to my panel
Add another muffler or long tail pipe to the generators for lower noise and for getting exhaust out of my shed better
Set up a transfer tank kinda deal to buy and hold a large amount of gas. Fill up when storm is coming, put leftovers in vehicles to burn it off. I had a large amount of gas. 5 days of constant generator consumed about 60% of my gas and jockying a ton of cans gets annoying

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