Firearms industry (advice needed )

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Post by Jonathanw » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:15 pm

Update: over the past year I've spent countless hours researching, designing and more research. I have changed my plan since I made this post last year. I'm now seeking a business degree as I plan to build my own in the coming years. Since the post I have had dozens of deigns to try address various issues in firearms and ammunition that I wanted to address or simply make a better version of existing designs. Many designs were scrapped due to issues with patentability and flaws in the design. However there are a couple that worked and are viable candidates for the industry. Over the past several months I learned the patent process and had one filed by my attorney in August, I have several more I'll be filing myself after I write up paperwork and have more drawings done.

I do have a question though, If I manufacture/assemble my own completed Upper receivers(non serialized part) that are specified in my upcoming patents, do I need to registered as an 07 or it's just like manufacturing firearms accessories and parts ?

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Re: Firearms industry (advice needed )

Post by John K » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:22 pm

Non-serialized, non-nfa specific parts don't require an FFL. But MAY fall under AECA/ITAR

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Re: Firearms industry (advice needed )

Post by Jonathanw » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:24 pm

John K wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:22 pm
Non-serialized, non-nfa specific parts don't require an FFL.

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Post by BIG JOE » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:29 pm

Get your MSME first. Then get certified as a PE. Any CNC or Cad will also be needed. You can't build it if you can't design it.
That PE is your ticket to what ever you might want do in the future . My nephew went to UF after that I had my boot up his ass to get a PE. He will be 30 years old in December. He works for GE in Atlanta as a fan turbine engineer. Once you get older you can stay home and seal drawings for cash. No kids until you finish the first part, Good luck.
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Post by jjk308 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:33 am

Get a BS in Engineering. It's worth a LOT MORE than an AA degree.
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Re: Firearms industry (advice needed )

Post by Rebel » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:12 am

Jonathanw,
I was Director of the Arms Lab at USRAC/Winchester. PM me your phone number if you want and I'd be happy to talk to you about my experiences in the firearms industry..
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Re: Firearms industry (advice needed )

Post by Jonathanw » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:27 am

Does anyone have knowledge on getting Government grants for R&D funding and the process? I'd like to see if that's an option to help the projects develop

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Post by Rebel » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:01 pm

It's an art, rather than a science to get government grants.
Most folks I know have profesional writers to do that.
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Re: Firearms industry (advice needed )

Post by rug357 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:10 pm

Jonathanw wrote:
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Does anyone have knowledge on getting Government grants for R&D funding and the process? I'd like to see if that's an option to help the projects develop
There are professional government grant writers who knows the "rules" and know how to play the "game" for success but their services are very expensive. Writers also specialize in specific fields like social service program grants, local government program grants, etc. and they would know other areas where funding could be available for client's areas of work. Without their knowledge it would be very difficult to get any grants.
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Post by Jonathanw » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:05 pm

Spent some time looking into what's required. Once I file/register my business soon, I believe I'll be eligible. My designs are actually covered in the topics they(DOD) are looking for so I'll write my proposal to the best of my ability based on what I can find and submit it. Can't hurt to try. I just won't rely on that small chance of being accepted.

Next open date is January so I have some time to work on that avenue

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Re: Firearms industry (advice needed )

Post by Jonathanw » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:26 pm

My functional prototype is in the process of being machined at the moment, last step is heat treating. The ammunition Is almost ready as well. I will hopefully begin ballistic testing next year, January to February. Hopefully I can find someone with a professional slowmo camera to help with the data research on the ammunition.

Patent application has been filed finally.

Thanks for all the advice and help from FSN members, this project has come along way and every day keeps advancing step by step.

Hopefully by early/mid 2018, the project will be ready to market to manufacturers so it may be on gunshop racks/shelves for you guys to see what I’ve been tinkering on until than I have to be pretty vague about what I have made.

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Post by 870Mike » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:03 pm

Jonathanw wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:26 pm
...until than I have to be pretty vague about what I have made.
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Re: Firearms industry (advice needed )

Post by Dave P » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:08 pm

Damn you, Mike!

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Post by Jonathanw » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:10 pm

Hey it’s not cool to post pictures of my patent drawings online [smilie=011.gif]

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Re: Firearms industry (advice needed )

Post by jjk308 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:29 am

Jonathanw wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:27 am
Does anyone have knowledge on getting Government grants for R&D funding and the process? I'd like to see if that's an option to help the projects develop
I evaluated requests for funding new technology for naval aircraft. Unless it came from an established contractor I NEVER saw one I could recommend. At least I analyzed them. Too many evaluators are likely to toss them in the circular file without digging into them.
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Re: Firearms industry (advice needed )

Post by zeebaron » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:45 pm

870Mike wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:03 pm
Jonathanw wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:26 pm
...until than I have to be pretty vague about what I have made.
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