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Need an ID on this ammo

Post by 331hemi » Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:01 pm

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Re: Need an ID on this ammo

Post by Casual » Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:22 pm

Standard "old" 150gn ball 762x51
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Post by IDPAMASTER » Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:59 pm

T65 would be the 7.62x47 not 51...maybe I'm mistaken,but 150 grain it would be. :-k
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Re: Need an ID on this ammo

Post by 331hemi » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:09 pm

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Post by Casual » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:45 pm

M80 ball 7.62x51 replaced T65
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Post by Armybikos » Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:15 pm

That is Czech surplus ammo, hence the metric weight measurements on the side. The ZV code on the side is for Sellier and Bellot and the 69 is the year code.

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Post by czharry » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:06 pm

I did a quick search and located this thread about your ammo.

(thread found on THR, July 22, 2003.)
Hey, all - I bought an 880-rd case of ammo at the gun show in Phoenix, AZ yesterday, that purports to be Czech-made .308Win/7.62NATO. I have never heard of this ammo before, but for $85 I figured I'd take a chance on the case - 7.62NATO ammo for less than $.10/rd out the door is nothing to sneeze at, you know.

The ammo came in a OD green-painted wooden case secured with a steel packing strap, which contained a sardine-can-style tin sealed with lead solder. The can contains 44 unmarked green cardboard boxes, each containing 20 rounds. The ammo looks nice, with no tarnish and the primers sealed with a black lacquer-type sealant. The headstamp reads: VZ 69 7.62.

The markings on the crate are duplicated on the lid of the ammo tin, and are as follows:

880 156/69-ZV
7,62 - T65 tbpl/Ms
26kg
Netp 1,2 X 0,4/1,2 - KF nma 3/65

Just guessing, but the headstamp implies production in 1969.
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Now that I've torn a round apart, here's some particulars:

- The bullet is a .308" 143-144gr FMJ-BT, lead-core, copper-washed steel-jacketed slug with a BIG crimping groove(it ain't some wussy li'l knurled cannelure, it's a GROOVE)
- The powder charge is 44.5-45.0gr(a little bit spilled) of an unknown extruded-type powder, with the grains cut short - this is not an unreasonable charge, assuming that this powder is similar to Accurate Arms XMR-4064 or XMR-2495, which both fit the physical description and I BELIEVE are both made in the Czech Republic.

BTW, the crimp is more like the Lee "Factory Crimp," where a collet presses the case mouth into the bullet perpendicular to the side of the case mouth, as opposed to being swaged by a tapered surface inside the die. This may bode well for the accuracy(i.e. no bullet distortion from crimping).
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Well, the Czech 7.62NATO ammo shot just fine in the Ishapore 2A1. A chap says that this ammo was produced by Sellier & Bellot before they were allowed to sell on the open market to other countries - which sounds quite logical, considering the country of origin, and the fact that the 20rd. boxes are just the right shade of green for S&B's packaging, but without any labeling.
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