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Question for you comp shooter types.

Post by poloboy821 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:23 pm

Ok question for you comp shooter types. Today I did a couple shot timed drills with these 3 gun guys at my local range. I shot a 5 plate drill thing (5 plates staggered at 10-15 yards) clean with a 5.3 and a 6 plate rack at 10 yards clean with a 4.6. Are these decent times or are they slow? I was using my carry m&p in .40sw and drawing from a holster.

Me an my neighbor are going to start going there and doing the mini 3 gun shoots that they do the second Sunday of each month. It only costs the normal $18 range fee and we can shoot the steel targets rather than hanging paper.
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Post by CitrusDude » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:29 pm

Did you use a shot timer? These usually report to 0.01 seconds. This is the best way to measure, as it takes into consideration reaction time as well. Someone on a stopwatch that starts the timer on your draw gives you a faster time.

I shoot 6 plates at 15 yards and to get it down to 5 seconds is some good shooting. I can get into the 5's, but at 15 yards I slow down for accuracy. Split times when doing follow up shots on the same target can be 0.20-0.25 sec. When transitioning between targets, realistically I suspect 0.5 sec. Draw 2 - 2.5 seconds to first shot, 0.5 times 6 targets is another 3 seconds. But I am not a strong competition shooter. B at best in USPSA, and Expert in IDPA.
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Post by poloboy821 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:50 am

This was on a shot timer. It was the whole shooter stand by..... Beep.... Draw. It was all i thought about last night as i did dry fire practice with my rifle. I am going to try to go out next month and run course to see where i am at. I know my off hand rifle will suck out past 50yrds. I am a pretty good shot with my shotgun and i want to do more pistol to see if i just got lucky. My neighbor was standing back by this one dude that had all the race gear and he said that dude was pretty impressed. [smilie=pdt_xtremez_13.gif]
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Post by g.willikers » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:20 am

Top shooters run a stage like that in around 2.5 sec or so.
You can check by researching the results from the major Steel Challenge matches at USPSA.org.
A good time, at the local level of competition, is about twice that.
So, you're in the ball park.
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Post by scottly » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:49 pm

I shoot steel challenge at my range every month. I usually use a 1911 in .45 cal.

I can do the "Smoke and Hope" stage in under 3 sec. It's 4 large steels and an 8" stop target (round steel).

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Post by g.willikers » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:35 am

This could turn into an interesting thread on how to shoot fast, and do quick transitions from target to target.
Anyone interested in continuing?
Ok, I'll start it with the first thing to know - the time it takes for the first shot, from the holster.
To be competitive, from the time the buzzer goes off, until the first round hits the target, should be well under the 1 second range.
Actually, closer to a half second.
Dry fire practice will get you there, but only with good technique.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE7_yH_6elM
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Post by Pizzim » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:43 am

i have to disagree .... you can be VERY competitive and not be under 1 sec on the draw ..... not saying its not important but its no where near as important as the splits between targets .... the guy/gals that are pulling off .5sec draws are usually the ones getting paid to wear a shirt.


As for the OP your times will keep you off the bottom but wont put you at the top. The real question is did you have fun?
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Post by Casual » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:59 pm

Pizzim wrote: The real question is did you have fun?
depends.. did he bring his Wife? [smilie=021.gif]
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Post by g.willikers » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:17 pm

The emphasis on the draw was supposed to be just the beginning of the conversation.
Gotta' start somewhere, and the start is as good a place to start as any.
Flub the draw and first shot and there's no way to be at the top, especially with steel challenge type matches.
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Post by poloboy821 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:24 pm

Pizzim: hell yes it was a blast!
Casual: I am trying to drag her out next time
GWill: I plan on doing practice draw a lot more now. My draw on the first one was a little slow as I got caught in my shirt.
I hope to get more into it soon.

I am all for tips!
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Post by infidel325 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:19 pm

Pizzim wrote:i have to disagree .... you can be VERY competitive and not be under 1 sec on the draw ..... not saying its not important but its no where near as important as the splits between targets .... the guy/gals that are pulling off .5sec draws are usually the ones getting paid to wear a shirt.


As for the OP your times will keep you off the bottom but wont put you at the top. The real question is did you have fun?
I agree.
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Post by Dave P » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:11 pm

FYI: there is a shot timer for android, prolly one for the apple, too.
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Post by infidel325 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:40 pm

I use the Surefire shot timer app on the iPhone for dry fire practice.
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Post by poloboy821 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:56 pm

infidel325 wrote:I use the Surefire shot timer app on the iPhone for dry fire practice.
How does it pick up your trigger pull? I would think the click of a striker fire is not loud enough to register as a shot.
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Post by jollymon32 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:50 am

poloboy821 wrote:
infidel325 wrote:I use the Surefire shot timer app on the iPhone for dry fire practice.
How does it pick up your trigger pull? I would think the click of a striker fire is not loud enough to register as a shot.
But it does. Add to the equation a laserlyte cartridge and not only can you time your draw, first shot, and split, but you can see where you are hitting.

Only issue is that it is a DA pull for me always.

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Post by infidel325 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:49 pm

poloboy821 wrote:
infidel325 wrote:I use the Surefire shot timer app on the iPhone for dry fire practice.
How does it pick up your trigger pull? I would think the click of a striker fire is not loud enough to register as a shot.
You can adjust the sensitivity on the app
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Post by poloboy821 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:41 pm

I DL'd the SF app last night, i plan on messing around with it tomorrow.
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Post by ww45 » Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:12 pm

Come up and shoot steel with the boys at the WAC in Pinellas and see where you stand. You just missed a match today. Every 3rd Saturday...9am

It'll reinforce sight picture and trigger control....150 rounds if you don't miss (bring 250) lol

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Post by poloboy821 » Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:18 pm

ww45 wrote:Come up and shoot steel with the boys at the WAC in Pinellas and see where you stand. You just missed a match today. Every 3rd Saturday...9am

It'll reinforce sight picture and trigger control....150 rounds if you don't miss (bring 250) lol
I am going to shoot the 3 gun in august and then i may look at the WAC. What does it cost?
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Post by Pizzim » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:19 pm

Most monthly matches are $10-15 for non members
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