Florida School Hires Combat Veterans To Patrol Campus To Prevent Mass Shootings

[Skoll]

I have gotten flack for this before. I dont agree that a veteran should be the one guarding the school. Why? Well, alot of freaking veterans cant fucking shoot!!!

That's why its always bugged the crap out of me that the state of Florida will hand a veteran a concealed weapons permit based just on the fact that they possess a DD214.

Florida isn't the only State that does that. I know for a fact Virginia does.

[TC6969]

While were at it, why dont we define a "Combat Vet".

There are dozens of stories of generals and colonels in Vietnam who got flown out to fire bases or FOPs, walked to the wire, fired ONE shot into the trees and climbed back on the chopper as "Combat Vets".

What about the guy who dodged a slug while making coffee in Syria and fired ONE back?

Combat Vet?

I would like to know what their procedure is for determining who has the experience for the job.

[rentprop1]

What was it that Grimes said in Black Hawk Down.... I was making coffee during the Gulf War

[Slartibartfast]

yep that's pretty much a MUST HIT target kinda scenario, I think that's why a lot of responding officers don't charge in blasting, the fallout for clipping some nerdy kid in all black, cowering in a corner, holding his science project... would be disastrous

is it any less disastrous when it's a cop instead of a nerdy kid ?

isn't one of the first things they teach you is to know who you're
shooting at, it should be !



NYPD detective fatally shot, sergeant wounded in friendly fire incident during cellphone store robbery


https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/natio ... story.html

In a tragic case of friendly fire, an NYPD detective was shot and killed, and a sergeant wounded, Tuesday night in a hail of police bullets triggered by a robber at a Queens cellphone store — wielding what turned out to be a fake gun, authorities said.

Detective Brian Simonsen and Sgt. Matthew Gorman of the 102 Precinct were responding to reports of an armed robbery at a T-Mobile cell phone store at Atlantic Ave. and 121st St. in Richmond Hill at around 6:15 p.m.

Simonsen, 42, whose 19-year anniversary of service would have been March 1, and Gorman entered the store and were confronted by a suspect with what appeared to be a gun, Commissioner James O’Neil said at a press conference Tuesday night.

Simonsen and Gorman opened fire on the suspect, and as they retreated from the store, they were struck by bullets from cops outside, O’Neill said.
Simonsen was fatally shot in the chest and Gorman was hit in the hip.

“Make no mistake about it — friendly fire aside, it is because of the actions of the suspect that Detective Simonsen is dead,” said O’Neill, who appeared near tears.

“We lost a very good man,” Mayor Bill de Blasio added.

O’Neill said the 27-year-old suspect was “a career criminal” who was shot multiple times. He was in critical condition at New York-Presbyterian Queens hospital.

The suspect — identified as Christopher Ransom of Crown Heights, Brooklyn by police sources — was wanted for a phone store robbery last month in Jamaica, Queens. Sources said he goes by the street name “Detective.”

Simonsen, the first line-of-duty fatality since 2017, leaves behind a wife and two children.

Michael Palladino, president of the Detectives Endowment Association, said Simonsen didn’t have to show up for work Tuesday.

“He was the kind of fellow that led by example, not by words,” Palladino said. “Led by actions. He didn’t have to be at work today. Because he’s the delegate in the 102nd Detective Squad and today was the delegate’s meeting this morning, he was actually excused from duty.

“But we had this (robbery) pattern going. And he felt compelled to go to the delegate’s meeting … and go to work. And that’s why we are here tonight.”

One witness told the Daily News that before cops arrived, the suspect, dressed in black, could be seen forcing two employees to the back of the store holding what looked like a gun. As cops arrived within minutes, the robbery erupted in chaos.

Officers frantically called for help as more than 50 shots were discharged, sources said.

“Shots fired! Shots fired!” one officer can be heard screaming on emergency radio transmissions. “Central, he’s in the store. He’s going to the back. … He’s still in the store, central. He’s still in the store.”

At another point, a voice believed to belong to Gorman, radios: “Be advised, I’m shot. The perp’s in the location.”

Neighborhood resident Jason Parodi was stunned when he walked up to the deadly scene.
“The police officers were yelling and after that they started shooting,” he told The News. “There were five or six shots, then there were 10 or 11 shots.”

“There was so much gunfire you could smell the smoke in the air,” he added.

Arwin Singh, 31, a construction contractor who lives across from the T-Mobile store, told The News there were at least 15 to 20 shots.

“I thought, ‘Who plays with firecrackers in the rain?’ ” he said. “I looked out and the cops were running into (the store) to get them. There were two guys who put their hands on their heads. I couldn’t tell if they were robbers or workers. Then the cops came out and put one guy in an ambulance.”

“It’s crazy,” he added. “The store has been robbed before but nothing as bad as this.”

Neighbor Manny Singh agreed the store has been a magnet for robbers.

“They were so close to our house,” Singh said. “It was terrifying.”

Dozens of stunned and grieving police officers rushed to nearby Jamaica Hospital, where Simonsen died and Gorman was being treated. Inside the packed lobby, cops were seen hugging and crying. A grim-faced de Blasio arrived at the hospital about an hour after the shooting.

A Simonsen relative, who asked not to be identified, said the cop “was always known as Smiles. That’s what people call him.”

“He was a good person. You’d smile when you’re around him.

“It’s very devastating,” he added. “I still can’t get over why. I know it happens, but it shouldn’t. It’s just a tragic loss.”

Gorman’s grandmother, Cecilia Gorman, told The News in a phone interview from her Brooklyn home that “I spoke to him and he’s doing well.”

“He didn’t go into detail,” she added. “He just called to let me know that he’s OK.”

This is the second friendly fire incident for the NYPD in three months. In December, Staten Island cop Amir Pali, 26, was wounded by his partner during a confrontation with a man armed with a large knife.

The last NYPD officer gunned down in the line of duty was Detective Miosotis Familia, who was shot three times in the head while sitting inside a mobile command center in the Bronx in July 2017. Her assassin, Alexander Bonds, was shot and killed by responding officers.

[revelation]

I guess that clip gave Keltec a little spotlight for those gun nuts.

[JonathanW]

He should have gone with an AUG or a Tavor if he was set on a bullpup

[Skoll]

I would have personally chosen a suppressed SBR. Not a bullpup though because ew.

[dammitgriff]

Did these combat vets receive psychological screening to check for symptoms of PTSD? No? What could go wrong there?
Just let the teachers carry if they want to.
Better yet, save your kid from public schools altogether and homeschool or enroll them in private school, where parents get to decide with their wallets what kind of education they want their kids to have.

[photohause]

That's why its always bugged the crap out of me that the state of Florida will hand a veteran a concealed weapons permit based just on the fact that they possess a DD214.

I did not know that was done.

[dammitgriff]

Veterans with DD-214’s documenting an honorable discharge not only are exempt from having to pay for the CC class, they get expedited processing for their license.