premature ejection of en bloc

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premature ejection of en bloc

Post by hurricanecharlie » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:23 pm

gun was worked on by a knowledgeable smith
en bloc pops up after several rounds
is there something i can check?
recommendations for a gunsmith in so fla that can sort this out?

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Re: premature ejection of en bloc

Post by flcracker » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:43 pm

Bruce Dow
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but first try replacing the ejector latch spring. That might do it. But if not, Bruce will diagnose and fix it for you.
and some rin up hill and down dale, knapping the chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like sae mony road-makers run daft - they say it is to see how the warld was made!

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Re: premature ejection of en bloc

Post by jmikeb653 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:53 pm

i was having the same problem and fixed it this way:
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=99718&p=796795&hil ... ce#p796795
i have shot it several more times since this post and it still works flawlessly + i was able to do it myself. PM or Post here if you have any more questions about it, i'll keep checking this thread, Jim
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Re: premature ejection of en bloc

Post by flcracker » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:39 am

+1 for the Holbrook Device [smilie=pdt_xtremez_30.gif]
and some rin up hill and down dale, knapping the chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like sae mony road-makers run daft - they say it is to see how the warld was made!

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Re: premature ejection of en bloc

Post by P5 guy » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:13 pm

Premature en-bloc ejection, check the Clip Latch Assembly. Three parts on the left side of the Receiver. Most of the time the Spring is weak and needs to be replaced. Access to the spring which is under the Clip Latch one will need to remove the pin.

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Re: premature ejection of en bloc

Post by hurricanecharlie » Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:07 pm

dont think i want no ping
that was choing in the sgt rock comic
didnt know what choing was until shot a real garand

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Re: premature ejection of en bloc

Post by jmikeb653 » Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:28 am

http://dgrguns.com/0-main-page-tools.htm
Clip ejector springs $1.00 , Clip latch springs .50c , get a couple of each + if you roam around the DGR site, i am sure you will find something else to buy, I know i just did! Good Luck with it, Jim
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Re: premature ejection of en bloc

Post by hurricanecharlie » Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:50 pm

friend has the same issue with his garand when shooting hxp greek from cmp
i am going to try some different ammo
could the op rod spring need replacing?

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Re: premature ejection of en bloc

Post by jmikeb653 » Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:05 pm

hurricanecharlie wrote:friend has the same issue with his garand when shooting hxp greek from cmp
i am going to try some different ammo
could the op rod spring need replacing?
At $8 for a brand new one in stainless steel, why not? Not related to your problem though. A good idea is to accumulate a little service pack of all the springs, a firing pin + gas cyl. screw at a minimum..... a complete bolt, trigger assy & gas cylinder/front sight assy if you can swing it too. Jim
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Re: premature ejection of en bloc

Post by P5 guy » Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:19 pm

hurricanecharlie wrote:friend has the same issue with his garand when shooting hxp greek from cmp
i am going to try some different ammo
could the op rod spring need replacing?

Is this HXP on en-blocs already? Some of the Greek en-blocs have shallow indents where the latch goes. :-k

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Re: premature ejection of en bloc

Post by hurricanecharlie » Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:25 pm

friend has had problems shooting hxp thru his m1
no problem with handloads
will try some handloads in my gun but doubt it is ammo issue since ran some danish also and still same problem
got a heavy duty clip latch spring and swapped bullet guides with anothe m1
will try that
if that does not work i will scrounge through my en blocs and see if i can find the ones that came with some danish ammo bought some years back check markings etc
do appreciate the replies
found the dvd from cmp helpful
never took apart the bullet guide follower etc
have new clip latch and pin but dont think that is the issue
easy enough swap out at the range

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Re: premature ejection of en bloc

Post by mjmensale » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:38 am

I'm really surprised that rentprop1 hasn't made his usually insightful commentary on this thread yet! [smilie=011.gif]
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Re: premature ejection of en bloc

Post by Rentprop1 » Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:01 pm

mjmensale wrote:I'm really surprised that rentprop1 hasn't made his usually insightful commentary on this thread yet! [smilie=011.gif]
the Garand isn't my forte ( I have one it's more of a safe queen ), the M1A is more my bag /:f


and I don't have any information to add about premature anything, I can hold mines [smilie=011.gif]
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Re: premature ejection of en bloc

Post by hurricanecharlie » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:02 pm

maybe a handload with a little viagra or cialis?

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Re: premature ejection of en bloc

Post by Hotspur » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:18 pm

hurricanecharlie wrote:maybe a handload with a little viagra or cialis?
Now you're really talking premature ejaculation . . .

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Re: premature ejection of en bloc

Post by hurricanecharlie » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:00 pm

swapped bullet guides
put in hd clip latch spring
fired 4 clips no problem
fifth and 6th clip premature ejaculated on 7th round
clips are from same batch cmp
bought hxp it came on these en blocs no visible marks i can find on clips

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Re: premature ejection of en bloc

Post by jmikeb653 » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:48 pm

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Search.htm?s=408200 Follower & Slide Assembly
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Search.htm?s=983610 Clip Latch
Keep Going! /:f [ replacing parts, that is ] ..... this guy has a nice page with good illustrations of all the reciever parts and what they do and where to look for wear. http://www.garandgear.com/m1-garand-fai ... inspection
As far as the enbloc/clips, the Mfg. marks are inside the circle on the Back.... the parkerizing is frequently thick and can obscure the mark.... just scrub with a copper/brass/bronze brush and they can be read.
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~wolfsr ... clips.html
Quickly checking a few Bando's, it looks like my HXP is all on German "JMO" marked enblocs..... i dug a dozen [ non JMO & none-Chinese!] enblocs out of my "Empties" can and if you ever get up to the WPB Area i would be glad to trade with you so you can try some diff. mfg's and see if that helps, LMK, jim
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Re: premature ejection of en bloc

Post by hurricanecharlie » Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:17 am

i started going through my en blocs
a lot seem to be overly parkerized fuzzy thick marks not readable
found others less parked smoother of several markings
will try a few different ones and see what happens
over parked clipss seems to be a problem on some blogs i read

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Re: premature ejection of en bloc

Post by hurricanecharlie » Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:49 pm

eureka!
used some en blocs that dont have the thick parkerizing
my gun runs again even after i took the bulleet guide from the correct grade and put back the one bruce dow put in
tumbling the thick parked enblocs in brass tumbler
thank you for all your replies

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Re: premature ejection of en bloc

Post by jmikeb653 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:05 pm

You are now Officially a Garand Expert! /:f
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