M70B1 polymer vs WASR-10

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M70B1 polymer vs WASR-10

Post by FSUnoles » Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:03 pm

Price is equal, thoughts?

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Re: M70B1 polymer vs WASR-10

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Nobody? Lol

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Post by Rentprop1 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:37 pm

FSUnoles wrote:Nobody? Lol
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Re: M70B1 polymer vs WASR-10

Post by FSUnoles » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:55 pm

Rentprop1 wrote:
FSUnoles wrote:Nobody? Lol
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Post by captain steinbrenner » Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:19 pm

I would take the B1, those WASRs are eyesores. [smilie=011.gif]
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Post by N4KVE » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:22 am

The M70 is more rugged, but either way, Century has to hog out the magwell to accept hi cap mags, & add the same 6 US parts for 922 compliance, GARY

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Re: M70B1 polymer vs WASR-10

Post by FSUnoles » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:50 pm

N4KVE wrote:The M70 is more rugged, but either way, Century has to hog out the magwell to accept hi cap mags, & add the same 6 US parts for 922 compliance, GARY
http://www.classicfirearms.com/long-gun ... utowasr-10

http://www.classicfirearms.com/long-gun ... kpoly76239

http://www.classicfirearms.com/long-guns/papriflews

Those are the 3 I'm looking at, not from this particular vendor/price.

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Re: M70B1 polymer vs WASR-10

Post by scott7891 » Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:42 pm

The WASR has a hammer-forged chrome lined barrel meaning it will have longer barrel life plus will be able to chew up any type of ammo you feed it. Also being built to near AKM specs parts will be easier to replace if you ever run into an issue.

The M70 although a good gun has some quirks at least in my eyes. One being it is not to standard AKM specs meaning it uses some proprietary parts which could be a pain to deal with. Also the barrel is hammer forged but has no barrel lining. The issue with this is that the vast majority of 7.62x39 on the market is steel-cased. The steel casing doesn't fully anneal a chamber like brass does. Therefore you will have increased barrel wear since the path of least resistance will be back in to the bolt instead of following the bullet down the barrel. Look at the ammo coming from Serbia where the M70 is from. All brass-cased even their surplus crates. There is a reason they did this. It would have been easier and cheaper to use steel-cased ammo but they couldn't since they decided to save money on the barrel. Also they have been having issues with the piston in the current N-PAP's.

Although the WASR does not look pretty like a M70 you can customize it to make it so especially since it uses normal AK furniture which the M70 doesn't have.

IMO you would be better served with the WASR in the long run.

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Re: M70B1 polymer vs WASR-10

Post by FSUnoles » Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:21 pm

scott7891 wrote:The WASR has a hammer-forged chrome lined barrel meaning it will have longer barrel life plus will be able to chew up any type of ammo you feed it. Also being built to near AKM specs parts will be easier to replace if you ever run into an issue.

The M70 although a good gun has some quirks at least in my eyes. One being it is not to standard AKM specs meaning it uses some proprietary parts which could be a pain to deal with. Also the barrel is hammer forged but has no barrel lining. The issue with this is that the vast majority of 7.62x39 on the market is steel-cased. The steel casing doesn't fully anneal a chamber like brass does. Therefore you will have increased barrel wear since the path of least resistance will be back in to the bolt instead of following the bullet down the barrel. Look at the ammo coming from Serbia where the M70 is from. All brass-cased even their surplus crates. There is a reason they did this. It would have been easier and cheaper to use steel-cased ammo but they couldn't since they decided to save money on the barrel. Also they have been having issues with the piston in the current N-PAP's.

Although the WASR does not look pretty like a M70 you can customize it to make it so especially since it uses normal AK furniture which the M70 doesn't have.

IMO you would be better served with the WASR in the long run.
Wound getting the npap w wood months ago, put a couple hundred steel rounds down range w zero hiccups. Couldn't be happier, I don't plan on using corrosive ammo so the non chrome lined barrel was a non issue for me

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Re: M70B1 polymer vs WASR-10

Post by Krozi » Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:08 pm

Century is about to release a 100% American made stamped AKM and improved milled AK that both accept standard AKM furniture. I would look out for those. They look very promising.
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Re: M70B1 polymer vs WASR-10

Post by scott7891 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:29 am

FSUnoles wrote:
scott7891 wrote:The WASR has a hammer-forged chrome lined barrel meaning it will have longer barrel life plus will be able to chew up any type of ammo you feed it. Also being built to near AKM specs parts will be easier to replace if you ever run into an issue.

The M70 although a good gun has some quirks at least in my eyes. One being it is not to standard AKM specs meaning it uses some proprietary parts which could be a pain to deal with. Also the barrel is hammer forged but has no barrel lining. The issue with this is that the vast majority of 7.62x39 on the market is steel-cased. The steel casing doesn't fully anneal a chamber like brass does. Therefore you will have increased barrel wear since the path of least resistance will be back in to the bolt instead of following the bullet down the barrel. Look at the ammo coming from Serbia where the M70 is from. All brass-cased even their surplus crates. There is a reason they did this. It would have been easier and cheaper to use steel-cased ammo but they couldn't since they decided to save money on the barrel. Also they have been having issues with the piston in the current N-PAP's.

Although the WASR does not look pretty like a M70 you can customize it to make it so especially since it uses normal AK furniture which the M70 doesn't have.

IMO you would be better served with the WASR in the long run.
Wound getting the npap w wood months ago, put a couple hundred steel rounds down range w zero hiccups. Couldn't be happier, I don't plan on using corrosive ammo so the non chrome lined barrel was a non issue for me
The issue is not with corrosion, that is the least of your worries. The issue is the hot gases fighting to escape back into the bolt but is being forced down the muzzle causing the wear on your barrel decreasing it's longevity and accuracy.

Look at this test done:
http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-v ... ased-ammo/

What most people think the issue is in the test above is the bi-metal projectile being harder than lead. It is not because the U.S. Army experimented with bi-metal ammo during WWII and found no evidence to say it was the cause of increased barrel wear.

The real issue is the steel casing not fully annealing to the chamber keeping gases from going back into the bolt. All of the steel-cased guns had significant barrel wear and lost significant accuracy. There was very little wear and throat erosion with brass ammo still maintaining a respectable MOA. Granted the test guns were AR's, have tighter tolerances, and you are not going to torture test a gun that bad but the principle still remains the same.

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Re: M70B1 polymer vs WASR-10

Post by FSUnoles » Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:18 am

Yeah I'm not really worried about it

scott7891 wrote:
FSUnoles wrote:
scott7891 wrote:The WASR has a hammer-forged chrome lined barrel meaning it will have longer barrel life plus will be able to chew up any type of ammo you feed it. Also being built to near AKM specs parts will be easier to replace if you ever run into an issue.

The M70 although a good gun has some quirks at least in my eyes. One being it is not to standard AKM specs meaning it uses some proprietary parts which could be a pain to deal with. Also the barrel is hammer forged but has no barrel lining. The issue with this is that the vast majority of 7.62x39 on the market is steel-cased. The steel casing doesn't fully anneal a chamber like brass does. Therefore you will have increased barrel wear since the path of least resistance will be back in to the bolt instead of following the bullet down the barrel. Look at the ammo coming from Serbia where the M70 is from. All brass-cased even their surplus crates. There is a reason they did this. It would have been easier and cheaper to use steel-cased ammo but they couldn't since they decided to save money on the barrel. Also they have been having issues with the piston in the current N-PAP's.

Although the WASR does not look pretty like a M70 you can customize it to make it so especially since it uses normal AK furniture which the M70 doesn't have.

IMO you would be better served with the WASR in the long run.
Wound getting the npap w wood months ago, put a couple hundred steel rounds down range w zero hiccups. Couldn't be happier, I don't plan on using corrosive ammo so the non chrome lined barrel was a non issue for me
The issue is not with corrosion, that is the least of your worries. The issue is the hot gases fighting to escape back into the bolt but is being forced down the muzzle causing the wear on your barrel decreasing it's longevity and accuracy.

Look at this test done:
http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-v ... ased-ammo/

What most people think the issue is in the test above is the bi-metal projectile being harder than lead. It is not because the U.S. Army experimented with bi-metal ammo during WWII and found no evidence to say it was the cause of increased barrel wear.

The real issue is the steel casing not fully annealing to the chamber keeping gases from going back into the bolt. All of the steel-cased guns had significant barrel wear and lost significant accuracy. There was very little wear and throat erosion with brass ammo still maintaining a respectable MOA. Granted the test guns were AR's, have tighter tolerances, and you are not going to torture test a gun that bad but the principle still remains the same.

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